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View Poll Results: Is this belief blaspheme?
Yes 12 75.00%
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:59 AM
 
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Is this belief blaspheme?

Many use these scriptures and others

Romans 11:36
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

1 Corinthians 8:6
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

John 1:3
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



To say that all thing come from God, through God and will return to God. They say nothing that happens in this life is apart from God plan.

So let's look at that sentiment.

God created adultery through Christ and adultery will return unto God.

God created fornication through Christ and fornication will return to God

God created uncleanness through Christ and uncleanness will return to God

God created lasciviousness through Christ and lasciviousness will return to God

God created idolatry through Christ and idolatry will return to God

God created witchcraft through Christ and witchcraft will return to God

God created hate through Christ and hate will return to God

God created emulations through Christ and emulations will return to God

God created murders through Christ and murders will return to God

God created lies through Christ and lies will return to God

God created evil through Christ and evil will return to God

God created lust of the flesh through Christ and lust of the flesh will return to God

God created the pride of life through Christ and the pride of life will return to God

Are these statements blaspheme of God and Christ?

Does everything like those who believe this really come from the father?



Not according to scripture



1 John 2:16
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Obviously not everything comes from the Father through Christ.
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Old 01-06-2012, 11:32 AM
 
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My answer: yes.
This is a big topic.
Will be back later when I have more time.
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Old 01-06-2012, 11:44 AM
 
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"God puts the blessing or rain on the wicked as well as the good" - to para phrase..The all mighty..created everything - good and bad..but he did send instructions that being good - or godly would make for a better life - I guess this is the concept of free will. as for "lust" - "fornication" - and other stuff ...It's not so much that us little human beings bring harm or insult onto God - but injury to ourselves...The very fact that we are tempted through sensuality and pleasure is natural - BUT - God expects us to evolve - and be super ---- natural - to rise a little above nature so we are not slaves to the material world and to the flesh - that we live free...There is no logical appeasing of the "Father" - I can not imagine that being destructfully lustful bothers God at all...but for every action there is a re-action and a consequence...if you do this - the visionary mind of man should know that _ THAT will happen - it's physics...The wages of sin is death - This is not about being punished - It's about science - about logic - If I fall into a rage and kick the fire - a spark may fall into some corner - and burn down the house --- harming all...best not to rage...Gods' laws have another name - COMMON SENSE... If you have sex with the partner of another - you harm them - you harm the children - and eventually if you keep up this bad behaviour - someone will harm you...and death may result.....God is not puniitive - we are. There is a righteious route in life that is smooth and good - and there is the sinister (left) path - that goes against nature...that brings about suffering - cos you are going the wrong way.
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:23 PM
 
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To say that all thing come from God, through God and will return to God. They say nothing that happens in this life is apart from God plan.

So let's look at that sentiment.

Is this belief blaspheme?

Many use these scriptures and others

Romans 11:36
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

1 Corinthians 8:6
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

John 1:3
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.




1 John 2:16
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Obviously not everything comes from the Father through Christ.
What you listed are not things ('cept witchcraft and the OT concept of uncleaness), but behaviors.

Lust and pride are behaviors. Lust is the intense desire for something. Pride is thinking too highly of one's self.
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Old 01-06-2012, 04:32 PM
 
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Is this belief blaspheme?

blaspheme -a definition- 1. ( tr ) to show contempt or disrespect for (God, a divine being, or sacred things), esp in speech 2. ( intr ) to utter profanities, curses, or impious expressions [C14: from Late Latin blasphēmāre , from Greek blasphēmein from blasphēmos blasphemous ]
1.
to speak impiously or irreverently of (God or sacred things).
2. to speak evil of; slander; abuse. (Dictionary.com)

1. ( tr ) to show contempt or disrespect for (God, a divine being, or sacred things), esp in speech 2. ( intr ) to utter profanities, curses

To show contempt or disrespect for God, a divine being or sacred things, esp. in speech (World Dictionary)

Those who believe that these scriptures teach that all is out of God are not speaking irreverently of God, nor are we lacking reverence for God or showing contempt for God or disrespect for God. To the contrary, those believers (and there are many) who have this belief based on what we read in the scriptures, proclaim that God is the source, the originator and we seek to glorify Him, just as anyone else does. We are not showing contempt for God or irreverence towards Him. It is understood that evil and everything associated with it, is not of God's essence but are only tools that He uses for His purposes. No one understands all of His ways and I believe that God is good, Holy, Righteous, and Sinless. He makes no mistakes.

Having a different understanding on this does not mean that someone is blaspheming God.



The above scriptures state that all is out of God. This does not mean that God Himself is evil or that He sins. Evil is a temporary tool but it is not of God's essence. He contrasts His goodness with evil which is not of His essence. A writer may use the element evil in a story or play, and may also create someone who is a murderer in the script. This does not mean that the writer is evil or a murderer.

1 John 2:16
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

The lust of the flesh, the pride of life, the lust of the eyes are not what God is all about. God is good and holy, but He uses these things to teach this about Himself to mankind. When God becomes all in all, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life will no longer exist because God will fill all, and destroy all sin and evil. God bless.

Romans 11:36
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

1 Corinthians 8:6
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

John 1:3
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:3all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened. (Young's Literal)

God bless.

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Old 01-07-2012, 01:22 PM
 
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What you listed are not things ('cept witchcraft and the OT concept of uncleaness), but behaviors.

Lust and pride are behaviors. Lust is the intense desire for something. Pride is thinking too highly of one's self.

A thing does not have to be an object 5150 it can be a thought or an utterance.

Example: Don't say another thing.
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Old 01-07-2012, 01:35 PM
 
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Sorry sis but if these things come out from God through Christ they are a part of God.

And when someone say God can sin and is a liar that is speaking impiously or irreverently of God.

1 John 2:16
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

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The lust of the flesh, the pride of life, the lust of the eyes are not what God is all about. God is good and holy, but He uses these things to teach this about Himself to mankind. When God becomes all in all, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life will no longer exist because God will fill all, and destroy all sin and evil. God bless.


Does not matter how you want to explain that scripture sis it still say the lust of the flesh and the pride of life are NOT OF THE FATHER.
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:03 PM
 
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I never said that God is a liar or that He can sin, Pnuema.

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Does not matter how you want to explain that scripture sis it still say the lust of the flesh and the pride of life are NOT OF THE FATHER
And the scriptures also say that all is out of God, Pnuema. Jesus also told the Jews that rejected Him that they were of their Father the devil, yet they still came out of God, who created all things. The devil did not create them.
  1. John 8:44
    Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
1 Corinthians 8:6
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

John 1:3
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:3all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened. (Young's Literal)

John 1 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. (NAS)





God bless.

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Old 01-07-2012, 02:37 PM
 
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I never said that God is a liar or that He can sin, Pnuema.



And the scriptures also say that all is out of God, Pnuema. Jesus also told the Jews that rejected Him that they were of their Father the devil, yet they still came out of God, who created all things. The devil did not create them.
  1. John 8:44
    Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
1 Corinthians 8:6
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

John 1:3
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:3all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened. (Young's Literal)

John 1 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. (NAS)





God bless.
Never said you said it sis, but another has said God can lie.

And if sin is of God then I don't see how you can say God does not sin and still hold to your belief that all things come from God through Christ.

Sin is a part of all things is it not?
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:53 PM
 
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How can God sin, Pnuema? He created His own law and He never misses the mark. He never disobeys, or fails, as He is the Creator. But He created the people who do sin, people who miss the mark, people who transgress the law and disobey, didn't He? Again, someone who writes a book and creates a character who is a thief for example, does not mean that he the author, is a thief.

Proverbs 16:4
The LORD has made everything for its own purpose,
Even the wicked for the day of evil. (NAS)


He who created the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, caused this to grow in the garden too, and I believe, knew exactly what would happen, that Eve would be tempted by the serpent that God created and that she would sin as well as Adam. But I know that we disagree on this. I was just posting that to share on this thread, that I believe that all is out of God and so do many other believers. This does not mean that we are blapheming. God bless.

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