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The cherub angel who is commonly referred to as Lucifer and who is known by his titles of 'Satan' and 'the devil' is quite real. Midway through the Tribulation he will be permanently thrown out of heaven. Yes, he still has access to heaven for the moment.
Revelation 12:7 'And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. And the dragon and his angels waged war, 8] and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. 9] And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
Jesus was tempted by Satan in the wilderness (Matthew 4:1-11). There was no evil within Jesus.
In Job 1:6-7 Satan presents himself before the Lord in heaven.
Job 1:6 'Now there was a day when the sons of God (angels) came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7] And the Lord said to Satan, ''From where do you come?'' Then Satan answered the Lord and said, ''From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.''
Jesus told Peter that Satan had demanded permission to sift him like wheat.
Luke 22:31 '"Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat;''
Yes, Satan is quite real. He is a fallen cherub angel who persuaded one third of the angels to rebel against God.
You are taking poetry in a literal manner. The bible is very allegoric and uses symbolism like that to describe the evil within MAN.
Think about it: Man has free will and cannot be controlled by Satan to do wrong. MAN does wrong on his own. If we did not have free will the creation would be imperfect.
Furthermore, the mere existence of Satan would diminish God and God cannot be diminished because God is infinite.
You are taking poetry in a literal manner. The bible is very allegoric and uses symbolism like that to describe the evil within MAN.
Think about it: Man has free will and cannot be controlled by Satan to do wrong. MAN does wrong on his own. If we did not have free will the creation would be imperfect.
Furthermore, the mere existence of Satan would diminish God and God cannot be diminished because God is infinite.
...curious! So, concerning the great worldwide deluge...do you think the bible is merely using symbolism to describe why it happened ?
I believe that Satan is the disobedient nature of man. Satan therefore would tend to the things of man - not man to the things of Satan. Also, Satan could not exist apart from man. I believe the very Serpent in the Garden of Eden was a reference to Adam's disobedient behavior speaking to Eve. It is said that Eve even gives the forbidden fruit to Adam who is "WITH HER".
Peter is later called Satan, and the Pharisees are called serpents. Peter was just displaying a disobedient nature when Jesus called him Satan. Jesus called the Pharisees serpents who are preaching essentially a disobedience in their doctrines.
Therefore, when Jesus says He came to destroy the works of the Devil (sin), I believe He was talking directly to me as well. Because I have Satan dwelling in me that must be cast out. In other words (my disobedient nature must be cast out).
I agree with you. Satan must be extracted from mankind and utterly destroyed.
Jesus was tempted by the devil and he had no evil in Him. Satan exists. Why do you think God is everything?
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The cherub angel who is commonly referred to as Lucifer and who is known by his titles of 'Satan' and 'the devil' is quite real. Midway through the Tribulation he will be permanently thrown out of heaven. Yes, he still has access to heaven for the moment.
Revelation 12:7 'And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. And the dragon and his angels waged war, 8] and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. 9] And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
Jesus was tempted by Satan in the wilderness (Matthew 4:1-11). There was no evil within Jesus.
In Job 1:6-7 Satan presents himself before the Lord in heaven.
Job 1:6 'Now there was a day when the sons of God (angels) came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7] And the Lord said to Satan, ''From where do you come?'' Then Satan answered the Lord and said, ''From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.''
Jesus told Peter that Satan had demanded permission to sift him like wheat.
Luke 22:31 '"Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat;''
Yes, Satan is quite real. He is a fallen cherub angel who persuaded one third of the angels to rebel against God.
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Yes, he exists and goes under many names in the Bible, devil, tempter, deciever, satan, prince of the air, prince of tyre etc...
1Pe 5:8 Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
2Co 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
Those who doubt Satan will one day find out, probably too late, that he is indeed very real
This is more poetry.
But, it describes quite well how we can be lure into doing wrong. It gives warning about how to detect the evil content within something that looks too good to be true.
Are you qualified to pick and choose your Bible 'truth'?
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I believe there is no devil. However, in biblical times the devil was used as the symbol of the evil within us. Otherwise, it is hard to imagine there is such as thing as Satan.
If God is EVERYTHING then there cannot be a Satan.
I always find it interesting when people obviously accept some Bible truths (eg; God, Jesus, Heaven, etc) ... but, by some perverse logic, reject other parts of the Bible as untrue(?)
How can you imagine that what you 'do' believe in the Bible is true --- when you admittedly believe there are some things in the Bible that are not true?
When discussing God with other people, I often ask, "What is the basis for what you will accept as truth?" ... If one has no real basis for what they are willing to believe, beyond, perhaps, 'feelings', intuition, 'what I've always believed', or 'things my grandmother taught me', then one really has no reliable, consistent basis for 'truth.' (In this case, what does it matter to you what the Bible says ... believe whatever you want!). Of course, if you are interested in truth, you will need a reliable standard by which to recognize truth and error.
If you accept the Bible as true, then of course Satan (the devil, Lucifer, demons, etc.) exist and are real - Beyond that, one does not have to look far in the world to see that evil and wickedness can be found everywhere.
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