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Old 01-16-2012, 09:30 PM
 
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I don't understand why a desire to live obediently to Christ and stop sinning seems to be a big problem for some people, like it's a major affront to God's grace or something. I've heard all sorts of things, like that you are trying to earn your salvation, trust in your works instead of Christ's finished work, that you're legalistic, don't understand freedom in Christ, that you're judgmental (or just plain 'mental' ) or don't grasp the meaning of grace......

Didn't the apostle Paul make every effort to live an exceedingly upright life and aim to please Christ in all that he did? He was an incredible example of obedience and blamelessness. He even said so himself and encouraged others to follow his example as he followed Christ.

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Old 01-17-2012, 06:48 AM
 
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I don't understand why a desire to live obediently to Christ and stop sinning seems to be a big problem for some people, like it's a major affront to God's grace or something. I've heard all sorts of things, like that you are trying to earn your salvation, trust in your works instead of Christ's finished work, that you're legalistic, don't understand freedom in Christ, that you're judgmental (or just plain 'mental' ) or don't grasp the meaning of grace......

Didn't the apostle Paul make every effort to live an exceedingly upright life and aim to please Christ in all that he did? He was an incredible example of obedience and blamelessness. He even said so himself and encouraged others to follow his example as he followed Christ.

I just love your posts Steph ! They make me happy !

God Bless you,
Verna.
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:43 AM
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Living a holy life is what every Christian should strive for. Nevertheless, it is impossible for us to quit sinning completely. We still reside in the flesh, which is weak.
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:54 AM
 
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when we begin to feed from the source of life which is only goodness, we will see that we become new.

sin lives in the mind, we are weak when we look to worldly things to fill us up..
we feel a void so we turn to this and that for comfort.. which may satisfy us foe a min or 2 but soon leave us wanting and looking for more and being more desperate than before.

but when we look to the most high to fill us , Him first and all things are added... we become free. we no longer need to run to this and that to be filled.. ALL things are provided..not some things.. all things.

Living a holy life is not really a thing we have to try to do, its who we are.. most of us have jsut forgotten. temporary amnesia.
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Old 01-17-2012, 10:13 AM
 
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Amen. Holy righteous obedient living led by the Spirit as a faithful witness of Christ should be the passion of every Christian and is a mark of a maturity in the faith.

Christians saved from perdition justified by trusting Christ, but babes in the faith losing battles but still in the battlefield are still saved from perdition by what Christ did. << It's a doctrinal issue. One that's divided throughout the past 2000 years leading to the reformation, Calvanism, Arminaism (sp?), denominations etc.

All the divisions in Christianity is evidence for if it's left up to man, he will mess it all up.
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:40 PM
 
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when we begin to feed from the source of life which is only goodness, we will see that we become new.

sin lives in the mind, we are weak when we look to worldly things to fill us up..
we feel a void so we turn to this and that for comfort.. which may satisfy us foe a min or 2 but soon leave us wanting and looking for more and being more desperate than before.

but when we look to the most high to fill us , Him first and all things are added... we become free. we no longer need to run to this and that to be filled.. ALL things are provided..not some things.. all things.

Living a holy life is not really a thing we have to try to do, its who we are.. most of us have jsut forgotten. temporary amnesia.
Amen....
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:06 PM
 
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Yes, Christians are sinners because they do not walk in the light and do what is right.

"The righteous will shine like the son in the kingdom of their heavenly father."

"Blessed is he who's way is blameless who walks in the law of the Lord."

"Sinners won't be allowed in the assembly of the just".

"The wicked will not stand in judgment, nor sinners in the company of the righteous; for the Lord watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked will perish".

"All those who do right shall rise to live, the evildoer's(sinners)will rise to be damned."
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:29 PM
 
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Take the posts of this thread and you have a combined truth: it's the heart of His children to be conformed into the image of Christ, but it's only His life that is blameless - so we crucify the flesh experientially.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NNI1xzVChI
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Old 01-17-2012, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Tucson, Arizona
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I don't understand why a desire to live obediently to Christ and stop sinning seems to be a big problem for some people, like it's a major affront to God's grace or something. I've heard all sorts of things, like that you are trying to earn your salvation, trust in your works instead of Christ's finished work, that you're legalistic, don't understand freedom in Christ, that you're judgmental (or just plain 'mental' ) or don't grasp the meaning of grace......

Didn't the apostle Paul make every effort to live an exceedingly upright life and aim to please Christ in all that he did? He was an incredible example of obedience and blamelessness. He even said so himself and encouraged others to follow his example as he followed Christ.

Being obedient to a written set of laws is NOT what makes us good people. If you ask people what are the laws that we are to obey, you will probably get as many different sets of answers as the number of people you ask.

What most people bristle at is when professing Christians come up to a non Christian and tell them all you need to do to be 'saved' is believe this or that thing and after they do that they tell them or even another long-time Christian and say something like...."you are not a true Christian because you are not doing such and such..." or .... 'you are not saved because you are doing this or that thing...."

Some denominations say that in order to join their church and be saved you must do certain things, practice certain rites, etc. Another one claims that all you have to do is believe, BUT if after you are baptized, you are not doing certain things or exhibiting lifestyle changes, then you weren't 'truly saved' in the first place.

Yes, it can certainly disintegrate into some pretty heated arguments.

Some say WE must be the main instrument (our will) to accomplish change by learning what we must do and not do and then striving with all our strength to walk in that path. Others say that God puts that desire for change in us and also is the agent to effect that change. Still others say it is a combination of wills... that achieves the results, with the emphasis being one or the other. Some say that if you don't do the 'minimum requirements' you will spend eternity in 'hell.' Others say that works only pertain to the rewards one gets in 'heaven' or the degree of punishment for the hell-bound.

So, obviously, there is vehement feeling when these types of things are discussed if there is a different understanding of what it means to walk in the paths of righteousness.
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Old 01-17-2012, 05:30 PM
 
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Hi, I believe that we should strive to reach for the goal of the high calling of Christ that Paul talked about in Philippians. God is calling out a group of people to be those shining lights in the world and we should be different, not trusting in ourselves to be righteous but trusting in God to bring about those changes in our lives that reflect His work in us. There are a lot of verbs in the writings of Paul like rejoice in the Lord always, be anxious for nothing, press on toward the goal, keep living by that same standard to which we have attanined, practice these things, conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ, work out your salvation with fear and trembling for it is God who is at work within you both to will and work for His good pleasure, and so on. I believe that we are to be active participants in the process of transformend into His image, and there should a difference in our lives. But we should humbly realize that this is all the work of God in our lives. We love because He first loved us. God bless.
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