Any opinions? Matthew 28:19--Acts 2:38

[ancient warrior]

Originally Posted by Prairieparson

Another attack on the doctrine of the Trinity???. Listen, you go on with your own rantings and dreams. Even the Jews in Jesus day never attacked the doctrine of the Trinity. They knew there was a Son of God, the Father, and that there was the Holy Spirit. They just couldn't accept that Jesus was the Son. But your attack is as old as the New Testament. Most of the Christian world confesses their faith in the Triune God, Father Son and Holy Spirit. That's an essential doctrine in Christianity. My guess is the doctrine will be taught, confessed, and believed for a loooong time after you're cold in the grave, so enjoy your little rebellion for awhile.

RESPONSE:

1. Please present your evidence that the Jews ever believed in a Trinity.

2. Christs immediate followers believed him to be the messiah, a man who, like the prophets of old, God worked signs (by God's not by Jesus' power).

Acts 2:22 "You that are Israelites,* listen to what I have to say: Jesus of Nazareth,* a man attested to you by God with deeds of power, wonders, and signs that God did through him among you, as you yourselves know"

3. The Trinity doctrine was thought up during the second and third century. There are four baptisms described in Acts of the Apostles and one in Paul's epistles. All are in the name of Jesus alone, never a Trinity.

It is strongly suspected that the Matt 28:19 reference to a Trinity, similar to the now deleted Trinity reference in 1 John, was a later addition to Matthew's Gospel. The early copies of Matthew didn't mention it. Look up the writings of the fourth century church historian Eusebius.

[hljc]

Son Lord Jesus Christ is the incarnation of God to the earth were he was born and lived a short life and was killed by deceived men of envy and God rose Him up from the dead and He ascended into Heaven were Jesus Lives inside His Father in Heaven ... and as Judgment of Jesus death the Lord put life on Son Jesus and rose Him up and who so ever with turn from this dark spirit authority of sin of this world and repent and be baptized ... God will put His judgment of Jesus on new converts and put His precious life of their lives and rise them up on their last day and God sent His Spirit to the earth to help them develop their spirits for eternal life...

[DASULAR17]

I purposely don't read the other threads not because I'm an arrogant know it all, but so as to not distract from my effort to answer this somewhat complex comparison and what many of us glean from them versus the early church,organized /nondenominational faiths albeit religions. In short I see Matt 28:19 and the most incredibly errored verse in the history of the christian faith and it centers around early church debate that evolved into dogma (doctrine) by certain religions not withstanding (shockingly) evangelicals. Matt 28:19 presents Jesus directing the then disciples to go out baptizing in the name of the triune. Now let's go back to that (singular) name and what many believe is Jesus meaning to baptize in HIS name . (Remembering there is NO oneness element at all here as Jesus is the flesh image of the Father (God in the flesh) . The early church were concerned about diluting the triune and thereby (finally) concluded with much resistance to change the apostles baptism to Matt eventully titled the great commision. The great commission is without a doubt Acts 2:38-39 !!!! Welcome to the confusion (not of scripture) but of religion. Acts 2:38-39 is the birth of the church ,the formula for being born again, the path to the endwelling of the holy Spirit the forgiveness of sin and the invite to the "far off" we (you and me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) the gentile nation!!!WOW!!!!! By the way Matt 28:19 was intramental in Jesus "sending out" the disciples (students/apprentices) to become now teachers or apostles (grads!!!)

In Christ,

Das, Judeo-christian