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There are people like Knoch whose quotes are " Satan's lie for today".
Unfortunatly he is now in forever in hell for his unbelief.
No amount of Knoch qoutes will change the truth that God is Triune and that Jesus is God.... and that is the only God who saves.
The Father is called God (YAHWEH)
The Son is called God (YAHWEH)
The Holy Spirit is God (YAHWEH)
then ..... what God is, is Triune.
And since only YAHWEH saves (2 Samuel 22:23) and "Only the name of Jesus saves" (Acts 4:2) means that Jesus is YAHWEH
And like Jesus we can only praise God for hiding this truth from those who boast about their wisdom and human understanding.
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
There are people like Knoch whose quotes are " Satan's lie for today".
Unfortunatly he is now in forever in hell for his unbelief.
Too bad that you are left to nothing but to quote someone who is damned by Jesus who since only YAHWEH saves (2 Samuel 22:23) and "Only the name of Jesus saves" (Acts 4:2) means that Jesus is YAHWEH
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Originally Posted by Mike555
Because you agree with A. E. Knoch who believed that there were a bunch of entities running around referred to by Knoch only as 'Those,' who conferred on Knoch's Jesus the same power that Knoch's Supreme 'god', has.
"It is evident that, when He was in the form of God, He was closest to the conception of those who would, in some occult manner, make Him of the very "substance" of the Deity, who wish to invest Him with the same power and glory as the Supreme,
How very nice of these undefined entities identified by Knoch only as 'Those' to have given Knoch's Jesus such mighty powers.
Yeah, Real scriptural.
Amen.... God is faithful to those who believe HIM, not man's interpretation.... !!
For anyone who is interested, it is clear to many believers that Jesus is subordinate to the Father and not of the essential nature of the Father. He is said to be the exact image or representation of God, so this tells me that the invisible God comes first, and is the source. What is an image or representation?
Jesus reflects the invisible God and reveals Him to us, but He is not all that the Father is. Jesus told us that there is One Only True God and Jesus, the Son, has a God and points to the One and Only True God. If He is all that the Father is, He would have no God. God the Father has given Jesus all authority in heaven and on earth and He has given Him the name that is above every name. Jesus acts on behalf of the One and Only True God and when we see Him we "see" the One and Only True God, but He always points to His Father.
Jesus says many things about His relationship with the Father and so I am going with what He has stated.
"for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of My own accord,
but He sent Me." [ John 8:42]
"To sit at My right hand and at My left is not Mine to grant, but it is for
those for whom it has been prepared by my Father" [Matthew 20:23]
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in
heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." [Mr 13:32]
"So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me" [John 7:16]
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the
kingdom of heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in heaven." [Mt 7:21]
"And the Father Himself, which hath sent Me, hath borne witness of
Me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape. [John 5:37]
"And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." [Mr 10:18]
"And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges." [John 8:50]
John 8:54-56 Jesus answered, "If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, 'He is our God';
John 17:3: Now this is *eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
*eternal=aionios
John 5:26: For as the Father has life in himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself.
The Father granted or gave life to the Son.
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"Jesus said to her, I am ascending to My Father and Your Father, to MY God and your God.'" - John 20:17 (RSV)
"He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word
which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me." [John 14:24]
"For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." [John 12:49]
"Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to accomplish His work." [John 4:34]
"For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." [John 6:38]
"saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me;
nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done." [Luke 22:42]
" I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment
is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me." [John 5:30]
"I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master,
nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him." [John 13:16]
John 6. 55 For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.
John 17: 25 “These things I have spoken to you in [f]figurative language; an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in [g]figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the Father. 26 In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I will request of the Father on your behalf; 27 for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came forth from the Father. 28 I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; I am leaving the world again and going to the Father.”
John 17
1 Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, 2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to [a]all whom You have given Him, He may give *eternal life. 3 This is *eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. 6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 Now they have come to know that everything You have given Me is from You; 8 for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me. 9 I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours; 10 and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them.
20 “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may [f]believe that You sent Me.
Matthew: 28:17 "When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."
[b]"You heard me say, `I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." [John 14:28]
Jesus tells me right here that the Father is greater than He is and so I believe that the Father is Supreme and He is subject to the Father who is the source of all.
God bless.
If one uses the Plates from the mint to print a dollar bill is it not an exact image of the real thing?...And can it not be used to purchase goods?...However, who is it that has the authority to print a dollar bill?...
And I'm grateful that you, Mike and others have been by grace given this truth of who God is.
Amen.... Twin, I am so grateful that words can not even express how I feel about my God.... as there was a time in my relationship with my Lord, I too, did not believe in the Triune, amen !!
Yet, my Lord God, Savior Jesus Christ changed that heart of unbelief into a believing heart of who He says He is... He is My Father God, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit in whom is the fountain of living water, that I will never thirst for His truth again... because of His promises that whoever drinks of the water that He will give to those who believe... they shall never thirst. And that water that He gives us will become in those who believe Him, a well of water springing up to eternal life...... for My God Jesus Christ is the fountain of life... and no man/woman and all their philosophy of what God says, does, whatever can take that away, it is a done deal, sealed in His truth, amen !
Jeremiah 2:13
“For My people have committed two evils: They have forsaken Me,
The fountain of living waters,
To hew for themselves cisterns,
Broken cisterns
That can hold no water.
Psalm 36:9
For with You is the fountain of life; in Your light we see light.
John 7:38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’”
John 4:14 But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.” .”..... AMEN !!
John 6:35
Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.
Jeremiah 17:13
O LORD, the hope of Israel,
All who forsake You will be put to shame.
Those who turn away on earth will be written down,
Because they have forsaken the fountain of living water, even the LORD.
Yet, my Lord God, Savior Jesus Christ changed that heart of unbelief into a believing heart of who He says He is... He is My Father God, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit in whom is the fountain of living water, that I will never thirst for His truth again... because of His promises that whoever drinks of the water that He will give to those who believe... they shall never thirst. And that water that He gives us will become in those who believe Him, a well of water springing up to eternal life...... for My God Jesus Christ is the fountain of life... and no man/woman and all their philosophy of what God says, does, whatever can take that away, it is a done deal, sealed in His truth, amen !
Jeremiah 2:13
“For My people have committed two evils: They have forsaken Me,
The fountain of living waters,
To hew for themselves cisterns,
Broken cisterns
That can hold no water.
Psalm 36:9
For with You is the fountain of life; in Your light we see light.
John 7:38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’”
John 4:14 But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.” .”..... AMEN !!
John 6:35
Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.
Jeremiah 17:13
O LORD, the hope of Israel,
All who forsake You will be put to shame.
Those who turn away on earth will be written down,
Because they have forsaken the fountain of living water, even the LORD.
Blessings
Too bad this truth has been corrupted by mere believing and magic instead of the reality of the changes in the "water of life" that result from disciplined rejection of our baser urges when they arise. If we are not rejecting our baser (negative, unloving) urges . . . we are not receiving the changes to the "water of life" that are promised. Mere belief and magical thinking is worthless.
Amen.... Twin, I am so grateful that words can not even express how I feel about my God.... as there was a time in my relationship with my Lord, I too, did not believe in the Triune, amen !!
Yet, my Lord God, Savior Jesus Christ changed that heart of unbelief into a believing heart of who He says He is... He is My Father God, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit in whom is the fountain of living water, that I will never thirst for His truth again... because of His promises that whoever drinks of the water that He will give to those who believe... they shall never thirst. And that water that He gives us will become in those who believe Him, a well of water springing up to eternal life...... for My God Jesus Christ is the fountain of life... and no man/woman and all their philosophy of what God says, does, whatever can take that away, it is a done deal, sealed in His truth, amen !
Jeremiah 2:13
“For My people have committed two evils: They have forsaken Me,
The fountain of living waters,
To hew for themselves cisterns,
Broken cisterns
That can hold no water.
Psalm 36:9
For with You is the fountain of life; in Your light we see light.
John 7:38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’”
John 4:14 But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.” .”..... AMEN !!
John 6:35
Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.
Jeremiah 17:13
O LORD, the hope of Israel,
All who forsake You will be put to shame.
Those who turn away on earth will be written down,
Because they have forsaken the fountain of living water, even the LORD.
And I'm grateful that you, Mike, saved33 and others have been by grace given this truth of who God is.
Can't stands it no mores..... just had to insert your name within Twins post.... hee, hee !
Gotta love it, right, Twin !!
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Originally Posted by saved33
Amen, Cyber Munchkin!
Isn't it wonderful, saved33, Twin, Mike and other's not to be slaves to an unbelief and that our God Jesus Christ calls us sons and daughter's of the Most High and we will abide forever with our God Jesus Christ....
Amen, when Jesus sets you free you are free indeed. For we know that His TRUTH shall always make us FREE.....
.... as our God Jesus Christ said, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. (John 8:31) Amen !!
We know that....
A slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed. (John 8:35-37).... as those who God has given His truth know that...... He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. (Psalm 91:1).... for all eternity, amen !!
There will be no..... To hew for ourselves cisterns, broken cisterns that can hold no water.....
Our thirst is completely satisfied, confidently sealed in our God.... no need to search everywhere for His truth outside the boundaries of His loving will....
His grace has filled our cistern completely full to the brim and over flowing with the fountain of His Living water the life of our God Jesus Christ' truth..... His grace will continue filling our hearts with His joy..... for He will show us the path of life; In Your presence is fullness of joy; At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore. (Psalm 16:11) ..... and it is now and for all eternity, amen !!
Think about it for a moment, if Jesus was the God with us, then the God He prayed to on the Cross was the God not with us.
Not sure about your line of reasoning here, Verna, but Christ didn't pray to the Father on the cross. And what's more God did not forsaken Christ at that moment either.
When looking at different 'events' in the Scriptures it's important to understand the customs etc of the day.
First the Scriptures didn't have chapter/verses back in the day, but ppl were fully aware of what was 'written.'
So if someone wanted to tell you about/remind you of, what we call the 23rd Psalm, they'd say, "The Lord is my Shepherd."
So, Christ knowing the events happening around the cross [high Priest insulting him, gambling for His clothes, etc etc] were proof of who He claimed to be, He quoted the first line of Psa. 22: "My God, my God why has thou forsaken me?"
In otherwords, the ppl that heard Him quote this Psalm immediately knew what He meant.
Again, going back to the customs of the day explains why Christ also said, "It is finished."
Most ppl think/teach Chrsit meant He had accomplished what He came to do. That IS partly correct. However the custom of Passover was for the High Priest to examine the sacrifical lamb for 3 days to assure it had no spot or blemish.
Then at 3 PM [same time Christ cried out, "It is finished"] the High Priest, assured the lamb was 'perfect' would call out, "It is finished!" to announce to the ppl the lamb was fit to be sacrificed.
Again, the ppl standing around the cross knew this custom and would have understood Christ crying out the same words made Him THE perfect Passover Lamb.
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just had to insert your name within Twins post.... hee, hee ! 
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