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If this so called "fear" concept is real then what is the end result? Is it so that we can stay on our knees and keep repeating that we are sinners? Or is it so that we will listen to Christian music all day? Or is it so that we will all move into a convent or monastery to constantly think about God or else we will be punished? What really is the desired result and point of this? Personally, I can't stand to worship God for more than 5 minutes if that.
God does not need worship, so you are in business.
God does not need worship, so you are in business.
i find it very telling of someone who comes to a Christain forum and says things that are in direct conflict with the holy scriptures simply because it doesn't fit their idealized model of God.
There truly is a need of Fear in this world. Without fear, there is no humility.
i find it very telling of someone who comes to a Christain forum and says things that are in direct conflict with the holy scriptures simply because it doesn't fit their idealized model of God.
There truly is a need of Fear in this world. Without fear, there is no humility.
God made homo sapiens and gave us the intellect to interpret the Bible. The word of God is our interpretation of the Bible and not the literal meaning of the words.
Furthermore more God does not need us to show fear. We are not animals in whom God is conducting an experiment. God is well above requiring worship. Whatever worship we do is for ourselves.
To fear God is not logical at all. As I recall the only time i saw fear of God was in paganism. God is all GOOD and benevolent.
Those who are saying that fear is not necessary, or is a sign of ancient ignorance, have failed to tackle head-on the Scriptures (including NT Scriptures, including Scriptures addressing believers) which command fear of the Lord.
Can someone please address these Scriptures?
Luke 12:5
Romans 11:20
2 Corinthians 5:11
2 Corinthians 7:1
Hebrews 4:1
1 Peter 1:17
It is disturbing to me that there is very little fear of God these days. The teachings of Scripture about judgment and the terror of the Lord are written off as "N/A" for the Christian, and not urgent for the unbeliever. Jesus is only characterized according to what is palatable to the listener. Obeying God is optional. Being a disciple of Jesus means being a "committed Christian" (implying that there is some other variety?)... What has happened??
Where is the fear of the Lord?
Same place it was in the days of Moses on the mountain, when his followers started dancing around the golden calf the minute his back was turned.
Many are called, few are chosen.
We are on the threshing floor and the chaff is being identified.
Those who are saying that fear is not necessary, or is a sign of ancient ignorance, have failed to tackle head-on the Scriptures (including NT Scriptures, including Scriptures addressing believers) which command fear of the Lord.
Can someone please address these Scriptures?
Luke 12:5
Romans 11:20
2 Corinthians 5:11
2 Corinthians 7:1
Hebrews 4:1
1 Peter 1:17
Thanks,
Steph
The Church gives guidelines on how to interpret scripture. We are allowed to use our intellect to make sense of writings that are very old and probably taken out of context if we are not careful. We also need to understand the hyperbole the writers used.
Quote:
The senses of Scripture 115 According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.
116 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: "All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal."83 117 The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God's plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.
1. The allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ's victory and also of Christian Baptism.84
2. The moral sense. The events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written "for our instruction".85
3. The anagogical sense (Greek: anagoge, "leading"). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem.86
Preachers with little knowledge in theology a common problem in small Fundamentalist sects create a lot of problems for the congregation. Just remember one thing. Good is ALL LOVE and there is no need to fear God.
The Church gives guidelines on how to interpret scripture. We are allowed to use our intellect to make sense of writings that are very old and probably taken out of context if we are not careful. We also need to understand the hyperbole the writers used.
Preachers with little knowledge in theology a common problem in small Fundamentalist sects create a lot of problems for the congregation. Just remember one thing. Good is ALL LOVE and there is no need to fear God.
Hi Julian, what I am looking for is your specific interpretation of those verses, not general principles of exegesis.
Hi Julian, what I am looking for is your specific interpretation of those verses, not general principles of exegesis.
Thanks,
Steph
Steph,
this is a great thread, regardless of where it leads us.
but this is the problem that we eventually get into. Some claim to love God but do not recognize the authority of his words. They have an idealized version of God in their minds. And among them, they all have differing (to some degree) of who God is, what he requires (if anything), what He really said.
This is the whole reason He saw fit to give us His word. imagine building a house with no set standard on how long an inch is... all the builders just walk around saying, "i do not require a tape measure... i know how long on inch is... and you get 10 builders saying this... what is that house gonna look like? is there gonna be problems? There won't be a 90 degree angle in that whole house.
People who don't take God's word for what it is, Inspired, are never going to understand where people who do believe it is inspired are coming from, or why they believe it. We are simpletons to them. We don't understand logic, Steph... even though i been watching star trek for 30 years.
stay strong.
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