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Old 02-16-2012, 06:12 AM
 
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Jews and Muslims that are good people are saved as much as Christians.
Very unfortunately, no. Nor Hindus nor Bhuddists nor any other religion. Salvation is only through Jesus. There is no other way.
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:18 AM
 
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Much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. Romans 5:10

We are saved by His Life(all that God IS)
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:21 AM
 
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Very unfortunately, no. Nor Hindus nor Bhuddists nor any other religion. Salvation is only through Jesus. There is no other way.

Those guys are also saved if they lived a good life.

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Chapter One

There are two ways: one of life and one of death; and the difference between the two ways is great.


The way of life is this: first, you should love God, who made you; secondly, love your neighbor as yourself; and whatever things you do not desire to be done to you, do not do them to someone else.

Now the words of this teaching are this: Bless those who curse you and pray for your enemies, and fast for those who are persecuting you. For what credit is it if you love those who love you? Do not the Gentiles do the same thing? But love those hating you, and you will not have an enemy.


Keep yourself from fleshly and bodily cravings. If anyone hits you on the right cheek, turn the other one to him also. And you will be acting maturely. If someone should force you to go one mile, go with him two. If someone takes your coat, give him your shirt also. If anyone should take from you what is yours, do not demand that he give it back, for you cannot.

Give to everyone asking you and do not refuse, for the Father desires to give to everyone from His own gifts. Blessed is the one who gives according to the commandment, for he is innocent. But the one who receives without need shall account for his receiving. Furthermore, being held, he shall be examined concerning what he has done, and he shall not be released until he has given back the last cent.

It has been said concerning this, "Let your money sweat in your hands until you know whom you should give it to."



Note how God in the above passage could by any God other than Jesus.

I tell you that anyone that lives as above is saved even if not Christian.




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Old 02-16-2012, 06:47 AM
 
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Very unfortunately, no. Nor Hindus nor Bhuddists nor any other religion. Salvation is only through Jesus. There is no other way.
Amen.... Bideshi

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.†(John 3:5-8)

John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.â€
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:52 AM
 
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I say NO.

The Catholic Church in Vatican II states that all that lived a good honorable life in a Christ like manner are saved even if they never knew Christ.

Simply be good to others 24/7.

And therefore you are good to God.

Rather simple.
Do you believe the bible?
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Old 02-16-2012, 07:29 AM
 
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So whatever the Vatican II says over-rides what God plainly tells us in the Bible...

I'll stick with God and what He says, thanks.

I believe Jesus when he says "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day." (John 12:48)
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Old 02-16-2012, 07:37 AM
 
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Salvation is for everyone, but only those that are saved are Christians.
Please allow me to point this out to you as a person who doesn't happen to be a Christian: that is just about as condescending as it's possible to get. The only thing you didn't do was use that other wonderful phrase, 'non-believer.'

If being 'saved' means that I have to conform to your belief system, then there's no need to be 'saved.'
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Old 02-16-2012, 07:39 AM
 
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Please allow me to point this out to you as a person who doesn't happen to be a Christian: that is just about as condescending as it's possible to get. The only thing you didn't do was use that other wonderful phrase, 'non-believer.'

If being 'saved' means that I have to conform to your belief system, then there's no need to be 'saved.'
Then you regretably will be one of the many lost.
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Old 02-16-2012, 07:47 AM
 
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Pretty simple really if you know how to READ correctly. It's all there.

John 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me possesses everlasting life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Isa 49:26 “And I shall feed those who oppress you with their own flesh, and let them drink their own blood as sweet wine. All flesh shall know that I, יהוה, am your Savior, and your Redeemer, the Elohim of Ya῾aqoḇ.”

Prov 28:9 He who turns away his ear from hearing the Torah, Even his prayer is an abomination.

Heb 10:28 Anyone who has disregarded the Torah of Moshe dies without compassion on the witness of two or three witnesses.

You can twist it, you can quote scripture till the cows come home but THESE words stand. ALL praise honor and glory go to the FATHER YHVH. Even Messiah taught this but religion has gotten in the way. Like it or not if you are following the words of YHVH.....HIS Torah, the Teaching and Instruction for righteousness you are HIS and HE will take care of you when that time comes. THIS is what was taught by Messiah Yahushua, NOT the new testament....it didn't even exist. Why religion seems to manufacture facts that say otherwise is both humerus and tragic. The facts speak for themselves. Messiah and HIS Talmadim (apostles) taught Torah. To say otherwise is both a delusion and a bold faced LIE!!!

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Old 02-16-2012, 07:51 AM
 
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Pretty simple really if you know how to READ correctly. It's all there.

John 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me possesses everlasting life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Isa 49:26 “And I shall feed those who oppress you with their own flesh, and let them drink their own blood as sweet wine. All flesh shall know that I, יהוה, am your Savior, and your Redeemer, the Elohim of Ya῾aqoḇ.”

You can twist it, you can quote scripture till the cows come home but THESE words stand. ALL praise honor and glory go to the FATHER YHVH. Even Messiah taught this but religion has gotten in the way. Like it or not if you are following the words of YHVH.....HIS Torah, the Teaching and Instruction for righteousness you are HIS and HE will take care of you when that time comes. THIS is what was taught by Messiah Yahushua, NOT the new testament....it didn't even exist. Why religion seems to manufacture facts that say otherwise is both humerus and tragic. The facts speak for themselves. Messiah and HIS Talmadim (apostles) taught Torah. To say otherwise is both a delusion and a bold faced LIE!!!
And yet you quote from the New Testament book of John?

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