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Old 03-06-2012, 01:05 AM
 
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Default The Holy Bible: Genesis

Chapter 1

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day" and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning - the first day.
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Old 03-06-2012, 02:33 PM
 
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Right here in the first verses of Genesis we have a foreshadow of Jesus Christ. The first act in God's creation was to bring light into the world. Jesus said to the people on the Mount of Olives, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." - John 8:12

Notice how the earth was formless and empty. Nothing on it was alive. It was a metaphor for the life that is not illuminated with the light of God - the formless life without the shaping of God's purpose, empty of the Spirit - dead - the life of each of us in our state of sin before we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior.

The prophet Isaiah said "The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned." - Isaiah 9:2.

Genesis 1 describes the Creation of God - the account of the 1st day of creation vividly portrays what occurs when one steps out of the darkness of sin and into the light of life filled with the Spirit.
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Old 03-06-2012, 02:38 PM
 
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Also in Revelation it says in that future day that the earth will have no need of the sun for the

Rev_21:23 And the city has no need of the sun nor of the moon, that they should be appearing in it, for the glory of God illuminates it, and its lamp is the Lambkin." Rev 21:24 And the nations shall be walking by means of its light, and the kings of the earth are carrying their glory into it."

Rev_22:5 And night shall be no more, and they have no need of lamplight and sunlight, for the Lord God shall be illuminating them. And they shall be reigning for the eons of the eons."
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:54 PM
 
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Yeh, it's amazing how all those people who read and studied Genesis prior to Christianity never once saw a foreshadowing of Jesus Christ in it - not even the famous author of the Book of Jubilees, who was very creative in his reading and re-telling of Genesis.

The interpretation offered in this thread is working backwards from the mystical author of John, who was borrowing concepts of Wisdom from Proverbs and the Wisdom of Ben Sira, where Wisdom - a feminine figure - was there with God in the beginning of Creation, beside him, the first of his creations. The author of John applies this to Jesus, setting up numerous biblical translations in which the feminine pronouns are removed from Proverbs referring to Lady Wisdom - for that would just clash with John's ideas.

Then we jump from John's unique interpretation of Creation, and backtrack to Isaiah - who is taken out of context (as usual) and made to seem that he is agreeing with a future writer: the author of the Gospel of John - about a past event told in the book of Genesis! Wow! What a feat!

This is NOT how one should interpret the book of Genesis....
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Old 03-07-2012, 01:23 AM
 
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And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. God called the expanse "sky". And there was evening, and there was morning - the second day.
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Old 03-07-2012, 01:57 AM
 
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In verses 6 and 7 is the implementation of a transport system for the second ingredient of life:water. Both light and water are neccesary for plant life and this will become evident when the events of the 3rd day are examined. God separated the waters - and we can see today that this is true. The water above is in vapor form and is visible as clouds. The heat from the sun initiates the process of evaporation the water below to beome vapor above and when the vapor cools it returns to earth in liquid form: rain. The creation process is logical - God created the heavens and the earth - allowed the sun to shine on the earth - heat water which evaporated - rose and became vapor - formed into cloud and returned as precipitation. The atmosphere(sky) separated these waters and is comprised of gases in the proper proportions to support life(nitrogen, oxygen,etc...)
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:24 AM
 
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In verses 6 and 7 is the implementation of a transport system for the second ingredient of life:water. Both light and water are neccesary for plant life and this will become evident when the events of the 3rd day are examined. God separated the waters - and we can see today that this is true. The water above is in vapor form and is visible as clouds. The heat from the sun initiates the process of evaporation the water below to beome vapor above and when the vapor cools it returns to earth in liquid form: rain. The creation process is logical - God created the heavens and the earth - allowed the sun to shine on the earth - heat water which evaporated - rose and became vapor - formed into cloud and returned as precipitation. The atmosphere(sky) separated these waters and is comprised of gases in the proper proportions to support life(nitrogen, oxygen,etc...)
Sounds like He created a big 'still...
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:51 AM
 
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I hate to clue you the "Holy Bible" your speaking about is the Old Testament, which was written by Jews, as far as we know. The Old Testament is the first 5 books of the Bible, the New Testament are the books added thereafter, which is the Christian Bible. So basically the Christians picked up where the Jews left off. The major difference between Jews and Christians is Jews do NOT believe Jesus is the Messiah but is still yet to come. That being said I highly doubt the Jews were foretelling the coming of Jesus since he has never been thought of as the Messiah.
I think before you pick apart the BIble you should learn about the other religions in the world and how they work in conjunction with others. Apparently you think the world started out Christian which is not even remotely the truth. There were 3 religions before Christianity was even a concept, they are Judaism, Buddhism and the study of Islam/Muslim. You really need to broaden your horizons before you pass pretzel logic again through the opening at your posterior end.
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Old 03-10-2012, 12:07 PM
 
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Sounds like He created a big 'still...
...which is not free from turbulence or commotion; motionless.
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Old 03-10-2012, 02:22 PM
 
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I hate to clue you the "Holy Bible" your speaking about is the Old Testament, which was written by Jews, as far as we know. The Old Testament is the first 5 books of the Bible, the New Testament are the books added thereafter, which is the Christian Bible. So basically the Christians picked up where the Jews left off. The major difference between Jews and Christians is Jews do NOT believe Jesus is the Messiah but is still yet to come. That being said I highly doubt the Jews were foretelling the coming of Jesus since he has never been thought of as the Messiah.
I think before you pick apart the BIble you should learn about the other religions in the world and how they work in conjunction with others. Apparently you think the world started out Christian which is not even remotely the truth. There were 3 religions before Christianity was even a concept, they are Judaism, Buddhism and the study of Islam/Muslim. You really need to broaden your horizons before you pass pretzel logic again through the opening at your posterior end.
Thank your for your concern - however I have studied all three of those religions - likely in more depth then yourself. Your argument is built on assumptions, and you don't even have the history of Islam correct. I could go into detail on this and actually demonstrate the origins of much of the Qur'an in the Hebrew Torah - but that is another topic, would take 3 or so pages to do it justice, and I will cover it briefly anyway when I analyze other parts of Genesis.

I realize you have a very simple view of Christians and their interpretation of the Bible, so I am not going to be to hard on you. There is plenty of material available for you to research. It appears that it is yourself who needs to broaden your horizons - and learn that assumptions, while easy to make ,are a poor foundation for any logical construction.
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