The bodily ressurection of Jesus proved Jesus' claim.... he is Jehovah God. (Messiah, sin)

[katiemygirl]

Originally Posted by saved33

Thomas meant what he said...Jesus was His Lord and His God.

Jesus would most certainly have rebuked Thomas if Thomas was mistaken.

What did Jesus do when Thomas called him His Lord and God? Jesus said, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” (John 20:28)

"Do not worship any other gods besides me" Exodus 20:3 (NLT)

Jesus should have reprimanded Thomas right then and there. Instead, He commended him.

Katie

[katiemygirl]

Originally Posted by ShanaBrown

Hi, Thomas said, "My Lord and My God."
This does not tell us that Jesus is the One and Only True God.
Jesus has already told us that there are many called gods.
He has also told us that He has a God.
There is a Supreme God that is over Him.

John 17: 32Jesus answered them, `Many good works did I shew you from my Father; because of which work of them do ye stone me?'

33The Jews answered him, saying, `For a good work we do not stone thee, but for evil speaking, and because thou, being a man, dost make thyself God.'
34Jesus answered them, `Is it not having been written in your law: I said, ye are gods?
35if them he did call gods unto whom the word of God came, (and the Writing is not able to be broken,) 36of him whom the Father did sanctify, and send to the world, do ye say -- Thou speakest evil, because I said, Son of God I am?"

Moses was called a god also, yet He is not the One and Only True God. He had the title of God.

Jesus has this title also and exists in the form of God. Philippians 2 tells us this.

And Jesus also tells us this:

John 17

"3 This is eternal* life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I glorified You on the earth, [b]having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. "

*eternal=aionios

There is the Only True God and there is Jesus Christ, His Son who reveals Him.
Jesus Christ is His image.
He has given Jesus all authority in heaven and on earth.
He is the God of Jesus.

God bless and peace.

Hi Shana,

I don't want to put words in your mouth, so please tell me if I am misrepresenting you in any way.

It sounds like you are saying that Jesus is not God, that He is a lesser god. Yes, No?

Here is how I see it. Jesus is God come in the flesh to show us the Father. Jesus' mission was to reveal to us what God is like.

No one has seen God, nor can anyone see Him with mortal eyes. But in the person of His Son, God took upon Himself flesh so we could behold Him.

Hear the words of the angels to Joseph concerning the upcoming birth of Jesus, "...and they shall call His name Emanuel," which means God with us. (Mt. 1:23) The angels saw Jesus as God.

"For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him" (Colossians 1:19). All the fullness of Deity dwelt in Jesus. Jesus was nothing less than God in the flesh.

Blessings,

Katie

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by katiemygirl

Hi Shana,

I don't want to put words in your mouth, so please tell me if I am misrepresenting you in any way.

It sounds like you are saying that Jesus is not God, that He is a lesser god. Yes, No?

Here is how I see it. Jesus is God come in the flesh to show us the Father. Jesus' mission was to reveal to us what God is like.

No one has seen God, nor can anyone see Him with mortal eyes. But in the person of His Son, God took upon Himself flesh so we could behold Him.

Hear the words of the angels to Joseph concerning the upcoming birth of Jesus, "...and they shall call His name Emanuel," which means God with us. (Mt. 1:23) The angels saw Jesus as God.

"For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him" (Colossians 1:19). All the fullness of Deity dwelt in Jesus. Jesus was nothing less than God in the flesh.
Blessings,
Katie

That means that what defines God . . . His Holy Spirit (Consciousness) . . . was incarnated into a human body and brain to make God accessible to us. First in the physical presence of Christ on the earth . . . and then permanently within the collective human consciousness upon His physical death and rebirth as Spirit (Comforter). The trinity is the result of the "precepts and doctrines of men" in ignorance about what consciousness is and what defines a person. There is no mystery once consciousness is known and recognized as the source of personhood.

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by katiemygirl

Hi Shana,

I don't want to put words in your mouth, so please tell me if I am misrepresenting you in any way.

It sounds like you are saying that Jesus is not God, that He is a lesser god. Yes, No?

Here is how I see it. Jesus is God come in the flesh to show us the Father. Jesus' mission was to reveal to us what God is like.

No one has seen God, nor can anyone see Him with mortal eyes. But in the person of His Son, God took upon Himself flesh so we could behold Him.

Hear the words of the angels to Joseph concerning the upcoming birth of Jesus, "...and they shall call His name Emanuel," which means God with us. (Mt. 1:23) The angels saw Jesus as God.

"For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him" (Colossians 1:19). All the fullness of Deity dwelt in Jesus. Jesus was nothing less than God in the flesh.

Blessings,

Katie

Katie,
What it come down to is that either Jesus is a the true God or is a false god.Moderator cut: delete

[ShanaBrown]

Hi Shana,

I don't want to put words in your mouth, so please tell me if I am misrepresenting you in any way.

It sounds like you are saying that Jesus is not God, that He is a lesser god. Yes, No?

What I believe Katie is that Jesus is the exact image of God. He is the Son of God, sent by the One and Only True God to reveal the One and Only True God to us. The One and Only True God is the Father and Jesus represents Him. He is His agent, His representative, speaks for Him, reveals Him, explains Him, reconciles us to Him. Jesus is the Only Mediator between God and mankind and He is the Only Way to the Father. Jesus has the title of God because He existed in the form of God. He is the expression of God and all that we are to know about the invisible God, is seen or revealed in Jesus. Jesus acted like God, spoke for God, and relatively speaking, is God. But He is not all that the invisible God, His Father is.
Jesus has a God and this God is His Father. Jesus always points us to the Father. He came to tell us about Him. So yes, He is God in one respect,having the title of God, being in the form of God, but He is not the One and Only True God. There is Only One and this is the Father, the source of all.

Here is how I see it. Jesus is God come in the flesh to show us the Father. Jesus' mission was to reveal to us what God is like.

No one has seen God, nor can anyone see Him with mortal eyes. But in the person of His Son, God took upon Himself flesh so we could behold Him.

I agree that we cannot see the invisible God with human eyes. I believe that He reveals Himself to us in the person of Jesus Christ, His Son, His image. All that we are to know about the invisible God is revealed His Son, Jesus Christ. And Jesus always points us or directs us to His Father, His God.

Hear the words of the angels to Joseph concerning the upcoming birth of Jesus, "...and they shall call His name Emanuel," which means God with us. (Mt. 1:23) The angels saw Jesus as God.

His name was called Emanuel meaning God with us because God reveals Himself to us in the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus came forth from the Father and walked among us to teach us about His Father, the One and Only True God. And He reconciles us to His Father. Yes, God is with us in the person of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

"For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him" (Colossians 1:19). All the fullness of Deity dwelt in Jesus. Jesus was nothing less than God in the flesh.

Well, I believe that the fulness of God dwells in Jesus. God gave Him the right to be called God and gave Him all things. Jesus acts on His behalf, is His agent, is His representative, does His works. Jesus has all power in heaven and on earth, but another One gave this to Him and this One is the Father, the Supreme God, His God, the One and Only True God. God bless and peace.

[ShanaBrown]

1 Corinthians 8:
4 Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that [a]there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.."

God bless and peace.

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by katiemygirl

"Do not worship any other gods besides me" Exodus 20:3 (NLT)

Jesus should have reprimanded Thomas right then and there. Instead, He commended him.

Katie

That's correct...also he should have prevented the one leaper who returned to Jesus after being cured who fell down and worship Jesus. Instead of saying whoa.... don't do that, Jesus asked "where are the other nine?".

[Jerwade]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

What it come down to is that either Jesus is a the true God or is a false god.

Equivalent to conjecture.

[katiemygirl]

Originally Posted by ShanaBrown

What I believe Katie is that Jesus is the exact image of God. He is the Son of God, sent by the One and Only True God to reveal the One and Only True God to us. The One and Only True God is the Father and Jesus represents Him. He is His agent, His representative, speaks for Him, reveals Him, explains Him, reconciles us to Him. Jesus is the Only Mediator between God and mankind and He is the Only Way to the Father. Jesus has the title of God because He existed in the form of God. He is the expression of God and all that we are to know about the invisible God, is seen or revealed in Jesus. Jesus acted like God, spoke for God, and relatively speaking, is God. But He is not all that the invisible God, His Father is.
Jesus has a God and this God is His Father. Jesus always points us to the Father. He came to tell us about Him. So yes, He is God in one respect,having the title of God, being in the form of God, but He is not the One and Only True God. There is Only One and this is the Father, the source of all.

I agree that we cannot see the invisible God with human eyes. I believe that He reveals Himself to us in the person of Jesus Christ, His Son, His image. All that we are to know about the invisible God is revealed His Son, Jesus Christ. And Jesus always points us or directs us to His Father, His God.

His name was called Emanuel meaning God with us because God reveals Himself to us in the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus came forth from the Father and walked among us to teach us about His Father, the One and Only True God. And He reconciles us to His Father. Yes, God is with us in the person of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

Well, I believe that the fulness of God dwells in Jesus. God gave Him the right to be called God and gave Him all things. Jesus acts on His behalf, is His agent, is His representative, does His works. Jesus has all power in heaven and on earth, but another One gave this to Him and this One is the Father, the Supreme God, His God, the One and Only True God. God bless and peace.

Hi Shana,

Thank you for answering my post. Rather than respond here, I'm going to take this over to the other thread about the trinity as both threads seem to be debating the same topic. See you there.

Katie

[ShanaBrown]

Okay, Katie, I posted.

Also Exodus 20:3

"
3Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." (KJV, NAS, YL)

God bless and peace.