Why do Catholics seem to pray to the Virgin, Saints, and religious figures: Please watch! (woman, church)

[garya123]

Originally Posted by irish_bob

stuff happens to everyone but on a scale of one to ten , the majority suffer fives every once in a while but some people suffer a ten , what if those people who suffer tens are reshaped by their experience and not in a good way , are they guilty of weakness , i ask you this because you speak with such certainty about what people are capable of , i can barely be sure what i myself am capable of let alone anyone else

But that is the point. One does not need to be reshaped adversely if they look to Christ who saves to the uttermost. I could write books about the crap that has happened in my life but I will not. Christ saved me from it all. Weakness does not need to mean weakness of character, just that we are needy of God who can make us stronger. We are all born human and in need. Show me someone who is not. Even Christ experienced sorrow and was acquainted with grief but He looked to His Father least He fail and fall from the battle.

[Julian658]

Originally Posted by garya123

Well, if you do not believe the Bible then just what do you believe. And why should any one listen to you concerning any thing you say about the Word of God. God inspired a standard for the whole world but the only standard I have heard from you is to bash the Word. You do not understand it because you interprete it with a carnal mind, not the mind of Christ.

I interpret the Bible and simply see that the OT is rather barbaric. Furthermore, it depicts God in bad light.

To blindly believe the illogical Bible passages are God breathed is a disservice to the Lord.

[garya123]

Originally Posted by Julian658

I interpret the Bible and simply see that the OT is rather barbaric. Furthermore, it depicts God in bad light.

To blindly believe the illogical Bible passages are God breathed is a disservice to the Lord.

The actions of the people were barbaric and God responded appropriately against them after having warned them in order to save the those who wanted righteousness and live a peaceful and Godly life. The Truth is never a disservice but a wake up call to those who think that God will forever put up with what is going on. That one man Jonah was sent to spare a whole city by speaking the Truth to a people who did not know their left hand from there right and which seems to be the case of many today who scoff at the Holy writings of God. He succeeded because His messege was strong being backed up by the Power of Truth not some watered down limp human selfrighteous nonsense.

2COR 5:10-11 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he has done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Perhaps I could buy you ticket to Iran or Syria or sent you back in time to Nazi Germany and you might gain some real life perspective rather then misread the acts of God against wickedness from the Bible that you so distain. Your read of the Bible is a gross disservice to all Truth. To bad Germany nor Japan didn't take it to heart. It would have spared the world a lot of trouble.

[irish_bob]

Originally Posted by garya123

But that is the point. One does not need to be reshaped adversely if they look to Christ who saves to the uttermost. I could write books about the crap that has happened in my life but I will not. Christ saved me from it all. Weakness does not need to mean weakness of character, just that we are needy of God who can make us stronger. We are all born human and in need. Show me someone who is not. Even Christ experienced sorrow and was acquainted with grief but He looked to His Father least He fail and fall from the battle.

thats a very general reply , of course thier are many people who do not become weakened by trials and trivilations , in fact some thrive , i specifically asked if individuals who flounder and are fatally wounded psychologically due to a particular crisis , are they guilty of weakness and lack of faith , is this punishable ?

[garya123]

Originally Posted by irish_bob

thats a very general reply , of course thier are many people who do not become weakened by trials and trivilations , in fact some thrive , i specifically asked if individuals who flounder and are fatally wounded psychologically due to a particular crisis , are they guilty of weakness and lack of faith , is this punishable ?

Well then you help all that you can. I was talking about failing as in lack of charactor, when one turns to crime to solve problems.

[mshipmate]

Originally Posted by Julian658

Hope this video is helpful.


Why Do Catholics Pray to Saints? - YouTube

Thanks for watching.

I hope you folks now have a better understanding of Catholicism.

God Bless

You can tell me all you want that Catholics don't pray to the saints. However I have Catholic in-laws and Catholic friends and I have had several of them tell me, on more than one occasion, they prayerd TO St. Anthony to help them find lost articles.

And more importantly one friend told me St. Anthony answered her and told her the exact spot of where to look in the attic for the 'lost' article.

The Scriptures tell us the death know nothing...and yet this dead saint "answered" her. That is communicating with the dead which is forbidden in the Scriptures.

[mshipmate]

Originally Posted by garya123

The actions of the people were barbaric and God responded appropriately against them after having warned them in order to save the those who wanted righteousness and live a peaceful and Godly life. The Truth is never a disservice but a wake up call to those who think that God will forever put up with what is going on. That one man Jonah was sent to spare a whole city by speaking the Truth to a people who did not know their left hand from there right and which seems to be the case of many today who scoff at the Holy writings of God. He succeeded because His messege was strong being backed up by the Power of Truth not some watered down limp human selfrighteous nonsense.

2COR 5:10-11 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he has done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Perhaps I could buy you ticket to Iran or Syria or sent you back in time to Nazi Germany and you might gain some real life perspective rather then misread the acts of God against wickedness from the Bible that you so distain. Your read of the Bible is a gross disservice to all Truth. To bad Germany nor Japan didn't take it to heart. It would have spared the world a lot of trouble.

Great post gary. [I tried to rep you but couldn't ]. Two things here to add to what you said.

First: Paul tells us the things written in the OT are examples for us to read and LEARN from and second the Psalms tell us God's word is a lamp unto our feet and a light unto our path. Psalms also tell us David said he LOVED God's Word so much so that he HID it in his hearts so he wouldn't sin against God.

Ppl that put down God's love letter to His ppl are not only offending God they're losing out on the greatest blessing in the world. Sitting at Messiah's feet and "learning of Him" [via the Scriptures] so He can, in turn, "show them the Father."

[Julian658]

Originally Posted by garya123

Perhaps I could buy you ticket to Iran or Syria or sent you back in time to Nazi Germany and you might gain some real life perspective rather then misread the acts of God against wickedness from the Bible that you so distain. Your read of the Bible is a gross disservice to all Truth. To bad Germany nor Japan didn't take it to heart. It would have spared the world a lot of trouble.

You are no different than the folks that lived in biblical times.

I think we as humans evolve and grow into a higher stage of understanding. To believe that natural disasters or wars are the result of a God that is unhappy is rather odd in 2012. Where are you getting this information????

God is ALL LOVE. Natural disasters and war are simply the price we pay for living in a world with free will.

[mshipmate]

Originally Posted by Julian658

Wow!!!!!!

Do you believe in salvation and eternal life? I assume many Protestants believe in salvation and eternal life.

When you say Virgin Mary is dead it implies she did not achieved salvation.

If Virgin Mary was not saved then we are all in trouble.

The Saints are folks that lived in a Jesus like manner. If these folks are not saved, then no one gets saved.

Now, lets talk about prayer:

1. Prayer is done for the person doing the prayer. God does not need prayer. Like I said before my God is not petty, jealous, or insecure. Maybe your God is insecure and needs prayer and adoration.

2. Are all prayers answered? No, most prayers are not answered. However, prayer has a positive impact on those that pray because they instantly feel better about their struggle (even if the prayer is not answered).

3. Does God really care about how we pray? I don't think so! God is not petty or anal about how we pray.

where did I EVER say Mary wasn't saved. Really Julian.

I said she, as all ppl that have died from this day backwards, [and that included the SAINTS you pray to] are waiting to be resurrected from the dead. Now I know that goes against your tiny little doctrine, but that's what Messiah Himself taught.

You do believe in what Messiah taught, right? Martha told Messiah when her brother died, "I know the dead will be raised up [that means to resurrect back to life] at the last day." [John 11:24]

When is the 'last day'? It's the last day of this aion/age; the day Messiah returns to resurrect those who DIED IN CHRIST!

And not only did Messiah not correct her and tell her Lazarus was already in heaven He repeated this fact sevearl times:

Joh 6:39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Here's Paul's teaching on the same thing:

1 Thess. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

3. Does God really care about how we pray? I don't think so! God is not petty or anal about how we pray.

Not sure I'd use the word anal and God in the same sentence, but your many comments make me wonder if you even read the Scriptures?


Matt. 6:
5 ¶ And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9 ¶ After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen

[Julian658]

Originally Posted by mshipmate

where did I EVER say Mary wasn't saved. Really Julian.

I said she, as all ppl that have died from this day backwards, [and that included the SAINTS you pray to] are waiting to be resurrected from the dead. Now I know that goes against your tiny little doctrine, but that's what Messiah Himself taught.

You do believe in what Messiah taught, right? Martha told Messiah when her brother died, "I know the dead will be raised up [that means to resurrect back to life] at the last day." [John 11:24]

When is the 'last day'? It's the last day of this aion/age; the day Messiah returns to resurrect those who DIED IN CHRIST!

And not only did Messiah not correct her and tell her Lazarus was already in heaven He repeated this fact sevearl times:

Joh 6:39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Here's Paul's teaching on the same thing:

1 Thess. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:




Not sure I'd use the word anal and God in the same sentence, but your many comments make me wonder if you even read the Scriptures?


Matt. 6:
5 ¶ And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9 ¶ After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen

I believe we have different views on prayer.

So I ask you to clarify:

Why should we pray?

Why do you think prayer is important?