The Sabbath for Christians (homosexual, point of view, soul, blessing)

[cmforte]

Originally Posted by VelcroQueen

I understand what you are writing, Lee9786, but I was asking for Scripture. Do you (or anyone else) know what the scriptural new covenant is -- scripturally? Where is it mentioned? Who is it for? What is it for? What does it institute?

To Cmforte, Where does the Bible call Sabbath Jewish? There may be a place -- I don't know. But the last time I read about it, the Bible called it G-d's sabbath, not the Jews' sabbath. ??? I may have missed what you read, so I am curious.

I don't attend churches, so I cannot claim to know what they teach. I am curious.

In Acts and some of Paul's letter there was a clear distinction between Jewish believers who are allowed to keep the Mosaic laws and the Gentile believers who were not obligated to. Over time, the Gentile membership of the Church outnumbered the Jewish membership...in other words, christians are not Jews.

And please click on the link I provided. It answers many of your questions that I do not have time to.: Sabbath Keepers Refuted Home Page! I can also provide some Catholic and Orthodox sources on the subject if you'd like.

[cmforte]

Originally Posted by katiemygirl

That's right Saved, but there is a scripture that tells us that the apostles met together to break bread on the first day of the week. (Acts 20:7) Nothing is more important than remembering our Lord Jesus and His sacrifice. I can't imagine someone taking the Lord's Supper once a year. Jesus said, "as often as you do this you show my death till I come." Who wouldn't want to show His death till He comes?

Katie

Wow, Katie!! I think that is only the second or third thing we agree on!!

-Chris

[VelcroQueen]

Originally Posted by cmforte

In Acts and some of Paul's letter there was a clear distinction between Jewish believers who are allowed to keep the Mosaic laws and the Gentile believers who were not obligated to. Over time, the Gentile membership of the Church outnumbered the Jewish membership...in other words, christians are not Jews.

And please click on the link I provided. It answers many of your questions that I do not have time to.: Sabbath Keepers Refuted Home Page! I can also provide some Catholic and Orthodox sources on the subject if you'd like.

I glanced at your recommended site, but it seems to be about a couple church organizations and their "splinter groups.". Seriously, I will look at it later, but I know next to nothing about those churches, and I'm not interested in them. I wanted to know about what you think, not them.

I see that you believe Paul gave two ways of salvation -- law-keeping and not law-keeping. I guess we see Paul and his teachings differently. But that explains a lot.

I have read the Catholic position on this, although probably not all, but thank you! I just wanted your ideas. Regardless, the Bible still calls the Sabbath God's idea. Unless there is a Scripture somewhere, that I don't know about, that says it is Jewish instead. ???

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by VelcroQueen

Where does the Bible call Sabbath Jewish?

According to the Bible, or, if you prefer, the Jewish Bible, the Mitzvah (Commandment) to "Remember and keep Shabbat Holy" is one of the Ten Mitzvot (Commandments), which are an inherent part of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) that are only binding on those at Sinai, their descendents and those who voluntarily accept them through conversion.

All others are only bound by the Seven Noahide Commandments in which there is no requirement to observe Shabbat.

[VelcroQueen]

Okay. Your opinion is that non-Jewish people are bound by the Noachide laws, which were written . . . what? . . . about 300-400 c.e.?, when most agree that the Scriptures were closed? No longer being written? Already codified?

I merely asked where in the Bible the Bible calls the Sabbath "the Jewish Sabbath." I already know that many here claim to know everything about the Bible; I am not one of those -- I have much to learn. But as far as I know, Sabbath, when personalized, is called "My Sabbaths" pointing to G-d.

I also know that when the Commands were given, they were given to a "mixed multitude," to quote the KJV, and they were incumbent upon all -- Jew and Gentile alike. Further, i know that later, in Israel, any who were there were to abide by the Commands or be gone, and this still included people of various origins. Bringing this up to Paul's writings, and others of his time, they agreed that all believers were bound to the same Torah. Oddly, Paul knew nothing about the so-called Noachide laws and did not teach them.

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by VelcroQueen

Okay. Your opinion is that non-Jewish people are bound by the Noachide laws, which were written . . . what? . . . about 300-400 c.e.?, when most agree that the Scriptures were closed? No longer being written? Already codified?

No. Long before that, at Sinai.

Originally Posted by VelcroQueen

I also know that when the Commands were given, they were given to a "mixed multitude" ...

To a "mixed multitude" at Sinai, and thus binding on those at Sinai, their descendents and those who voluntarily accept them through conversion.

[Mikelee81]

The Noahide Laws are an invention of Babylonian Talmudic oral-tradition Jews. They have no authority over the Word of God. They have no authority over the believer - Jew or Gentile. Gentiles are not under dominion of these man-made Laws, but answer only to YHWH in Jesus Christ. Under these Laws worshiping Jesus Christ as Lord is deemed Blasphemy and Idolatry. <<< Am I not correct Walter?

Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Revelation 1

5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by lee9786

Under these Laws worshiping Jesus Christ as Lord is deemed Blasphemy and Idolatry. <<< Am I not correct Walter?

For a Jew, the worship of Jesus of Nazareth is idolatry as it violates the Second Mitzvah (Commandment) prohibition of the worship of other than the one, true G-d.

For a non-Jew, the worship of Jesus of Nazareth violates the Noahide Commandment not to commit idolatry.

[Mikelee81]

Originally Posted by Walter Greenspan

For a Jew, the worship of Jesus of Nazareth is idolatry as it violates the Second Mitzvah (Commandment) prohibition of the worship of other than the one, true G-d.

For a non-Jew, the worship of Jesus of Nazareth violates the Noahide Commandment not to commit idolatry.

Matthew 2:2
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Matthew 2:8
And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

Matthew 2:11
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

Matthew 28:9
And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Matthew 28:17
And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

Mark 5:6
But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,

Don't expect true Christians that believe Jesus is the one YHWH God incarnate manifested in three 'persons' as the Scriptures declare to bow down to these man-made laws.

It will not go smoothly.

[VelcroQueen]

Originally Posted by Walter Greenspan

No. Long before that, at Sinai....To a "mixed multitude" at Sinai, and thus binding on those at Sinai, their descendents and those who voluntarily accept them through conversion.

Okay. So please pardon my answer. Then I am not obligated to the G-d of the universe when, in the first Word, He says, "I AM Adonai your G-d." And since I do not know the so-called Noachide laws (and please don't bother to write them to me -- I am fine without them !) But i am sure that the Word I wrote in this paragraph is not included in them.

I believe that I am obligated to follow every Word in the 10, and i will do them to the best of my ability with His help.