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Old 04-01-2012, 01:27 PM
 
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The only problem with Jonah/great fish being ONLY a metaphor then it makes Messiah a liar when He said He'd be in the grave for 3 full days and 3 full nights.

Some of the scribes/ Pharisees asked Him for a sign:

Matthew 12:38, "... Master, we would see a sign from thee." But Jesus replied to them in verses 39-41, "... An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here."

However in verse 40 the force of the word 'as' tells us it wasn't a metaphor:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. [grave/sepulche]

And He was. He died on the High sabbath [what we call Wed.] and was raised from the dead 3 full days/nights later on the weekly sabbath. [Sat.]


Now it is possible that after Messiah's death and being in the grave 3 day/3 nights the phrase could have become a metaphor.
It could be seen that because of Jonah's rebellion, he spent three days and nights in darkness/sin..And so did Yeshua...As Jonas experienced this for his own sins...Yeshua experienced it for for our sins...
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:54 PM
 
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The Hebrew term "Satan" describes an adversarial role or that of adversity.
It is not the name of a separate entity; it’s a human characteristic within the nature and minds of men.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:21 PM
 
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One more time:

There is no Satan.
Yep, I agree, the Satan who is eternally at war with the forces of good, the monster who rules over the flames of hell and punishes sinners, the fallen angel with his legions of demon helpers tempting humans to do evil things so he can win their souls doesn’t come from the Jewish “Old Testament”.
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:16 PM
 
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I find it incredible that the same folks that believe in God (the all mighty, omnipresent, and omniscient) also believe in Satan and Demons.

Do they even realize that by believing in deities that represent evil they completely diminish te greatness of God.?

Do they fail to understand the Bible writing style with regards to figures of speech?

Do they even realize the absurdity of believing in an evil entity that has the power to manipulate us humans? How about our free will?
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:19 PM
 
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The only problem with Jonah/great fish being ONLY a metaphor then it makes Messiah a liar when He said He'd be in the grave for 3 full days and 3 full nights.


You need to interpret the Bible.
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Old 04-01-2012, 05:02 PM
 
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Satan is not real. He is symbolic for the evil potential within us.
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:08 PM
 
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Nope. Just because you don't agree with what it says, doesn't mean it's "yet another liberal attack on the Bible". It's not all about you and your beliefs, Mike - you're not the only Christian in the world.

This may come as a shock, but conservative Fundamentalists aren't the only Christians in the world. And their views aren't the only viable ones in regards to Scripture. This forum is called "Christianity" - not "Conservative Fundamentalist Mike555 Christianity".

As you added absolutely nothing, except for your usual nasty accusations of "liberal attacks on the Bible", we can move on now.
The part I've bolded made me laugh out loud.
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:48 PM
 
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You may have a point. Liberalism favors a God that is kinder and less violent. A god that does not discriminate against homosexuals.

Liberalism also teaches folks to acknowledge the figures of speech in the Bible (when obvious) such as Genesis, Jonah, folks living to be over 900 years, etc.

Liberalism also does not elevate Satan to the level of a Prophet.

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Old 04-01-2012, 08:43 PM
 
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You may have a point. Liberalism favors a God that is kinder and less violent. A god that does not discriminate against homosexuals.

Liberalism also teaches folks to acknowledge the figures of speech in the Bible (when obvious) such as Genesis, Jonah, folks living to be over 900 years, etc.

Liberalism also does not elevate Satan to the level of a Prophet.
You have no idea what you're talking about.

The fact that the Bible is literal recognizes that there is symbolic language and allegory. But it needs to be distinquished from that which is literal.

The lifespan of the antediluvian civilization was much greater then that of the postdiluvian civilization.

Jesus recognized that the events in Genesis were literal. The same with Jonah. And the Bible clearly teaches that homosexuality is a sin. And that Satan is real. But not a deity as you seem to think is implied.
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Old 04-01-2012, 08:47 PM
 
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So is anyone going to answer the question(s)?
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