Do we truly have free will in Chfristianity? (Jehovah, woman, Jesus)

[RevelationWriter]

There is no such control as a will free to choose.

Either one obeys God.
Or they are obeying the devil.

"The Doctrine" of (free) Will is of the secular deception of the world.

Making believe one has a will that is FREE to choose.

When one is not FREE of any choice.

You either serve God or you serve the devil.

God does not give Choices, He gives Commands.

[Julian658]

Originally Posted by RevelationWriter

There is no such control as a will free to choose.

Either one obeys God.
Or they are obeying the devil.

"The Doctrine" of (free) Will is of the secular deception of the world.

Making believe one has a will that is FREE to choose.

When one is not FREE of any choice.

You either serve God or you serve the devil.

God does not give Choices, He gives Commands.

I have no issues with that.

IRL we don't have free will. Free will is a metaphysical issue.

[littlemagician]

you are freee.. you are freedom.. whatever title you decide to carry only crowds your mind.. and people will tell you how you should be dress act etc.. this then makes u feel unfree.

you are Made from Love.. Love feels naturally good to everyone. when we hate.. we feel irritated,, you are goodness, let your goodness pour onto the earth naturally and dont let the ways of the world fool you.. find yourself and you will see

know yourself and you will know me. (and all others- We are one and the same)

[garya123]

Originally Posted by RevelationWriter

There is no such control as a will free to choose.

Either one obeys God.
Or they are obeying the devil.

"The Doctrine" of (free) Will is of the secular deception of the world.

Making believe one has a will that is FREE to choose.

When one is not FREE of any choice.

You either serve God or you serve the devil.

God does not give Choices, He gives Commands.

DEUT 30:19 "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both you and your seed may live:" When Moses uses the term living here or life, he is talking about eternal life in God, not what man calls living.

The choice comes because He gives you the choice. It is written,"Many are called but few are chosen." because many will not want to give up their sin, love of money or other things that hinder spiritual development. Nevertheless He gives the ability to choose when He calls because God is faithful to give all an opportunity and I dare say many opportunities.

[Julian658]

I want to thank all the posters on the thread as well as others including Mike555.

After further self analysis I have concluded that absolute free will does not exist and everything we do is somehow predetermined or influenced by other events.

If I wished to prove free will, then I would take steps in that direction. However, every step I take in that direction could be what I was predestined to do, and therefore every attempt I make to prove free will just further validates predestination.

The same is true of predestination...if I took steps to prove predestination, each of those steps could be a freely chosen step out of the other possibilities, and thus every attempt I make at proving predestination further validates free will.

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So forget Satan or no Satan. We do not have free will.

Thanks!!!!!

[hljc]

Judas was not a Christian , because he was not born again in the Spirit at Pentecost, but he might have been a pre-Christian like all the saved people of Israel in His day...... See Judas was a greedy man with poor discernment ...... Christians have free will with the Lord and if they cannot do something that they are called then the Lord knows already and will give a man a pass.... .. As far as sin is concerned , Righteous Christians will want all sin gone and out of their lives and to be have more of the Lord in their lives .... See they will not want sin as the natural man would ...... Christians love the Lord and want Him in their lives as a worship of Fortitude, will bring peace in their lives as they will be in Jesus plan for their lives .........

[allenk893]

Originally Posted by Julian658

Luke 22: 3-6

3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve. 4 And Judas went to the chief priests and the officers of the temple guard and discussed with them how he might betray Jesus. 5 They were delighted and agreed to give him money. 6 He consented, and watched for an opportunity to hand Jesus over to them when no crowd was present.


The bible passage suggests that it was Satan who orchestrated the betrayal of Jesus by entering Judas. This action robbed Judas the ability choose good or evil. It seems Satan directed Judas to do evil.

If one believes the passage then man has no free will.

Judas didn't have to do anything. He had a brain and a choice like you and I. He saw the money and decided that it was more important than Jesus. So that's what he chose. The devil just finished the work when he made his choice. Makes sense to me. You have a brain, you have a choice. I do not think any Atheist are going to blame the devil for rejecting Jesus on judgement day. It was their conscious choice to reject him as was Judas's conscious choice to see $$ and decided it was more important than Jesus.

[RevelationWriter]

Originally Posted by garya123

DEUT 30:19 "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both you and your seed may live:" When Moses uses the term living here or life, he is talking about eternal life in God, not what man calls living.

The choice comes because He gives you the choice. It is written,"Many are called but few are chosen." because many will not want to give up their sin, love of money or other things that hinder spiritual development. Nevertheless He gives the ability to choose when He calls because God is faithful to give all an opportunity and I dare say many opportunities.

Deut.30:19 is Moses not God, telling Israel to choose life or death.

God never gives anyone a choice He tell everyone to obey.
He says what happens when one doesn't obey.
But God never gave anyone a choice of obeying.

God did not give Adam & Eve a choice with
the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

"Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat.
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
You SHALL NOT EAT. - Gen.2:16,17

[RevelationWriter]

I'm not saying one doesn't have a Will to choose.

You don't need a (free) will to choose.
All you need is the Will to do so.

But our will is not (free) of any choice.

The only time God accepted a (free will) choice
was of 'a free will Offering' to Him.

The whole premis of the free will 'Doctrine'
is of God giving us a will that is free to make choices.

Well, don't you think God would have said
He gave us a will that's free to make choices with?

Do you give your child a bike
then say, you can ride on the sidewalk or in the street?

No. You say, stay out of the street!

[Julian658]

Originally Posted by allenk893

Judas didn't have to do anything. He had a brain and a choice like you and I. He saw the money and decided that it was more important than Jesus. So that's what he chose. The devil just finished the work when he made his choice. Makes sense to me. You have a brain, you have a choice. I do not think any Atheist are going to blame the devil for rejecting Jesus on judgement day. It was their conscious choice to reject him as was Judas's conscious choice to see $$ and decided it was more important than Jesus.

Then there is no need for Satan. As you said. Judas had a brain and was able to choose evil on his own.

You see how easy it works! There is no need to believe there is a deity that is evil. Satan is just a symbol.