Errors and contradictions in Acts of the Apostles (punishment, after life, funerals)

[katiemygirl]

Originally Posted by SmalltownKSgirl

Jesus said if you reject ME!

John 12:48 The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.

You think that because I acknowledge that there are, in fact, errors and contradictions in the Bible, and because I espouse that the Bible is written by human beings inspired by God, that I reject Jesus? That I am an enemy of Jesus? How very wrong you are.

You think I demean and "put down" the Bible? I do not glorify it as a deity. I put it in its place because it is NOT God. Only God is infallible. Some hold the Bible up as if it were God himself or on par with God or as if it were worthy of worship itself. It is not.



Actually Katie, my reasons for arguing against Biblical inerrancy and infallibility are the same as yours for defending it. I believe that the Bible can be an enormous obstacle for the very people you are worried about - someone who is vulnerable and teetering on the edge. If a reader applies any of their God-given critical thinking or intellect to the Bible, they will have to confront inaccuracies and contradictions galore. Forced to choose, all or nothing, then there is nothing. Once you know something, you can't unknow it, can you?

But, they don't have to make that choice. One can apply critical thinking skills to the Bible, tease out the very contradictions discussed in this thread, identify historical inaccuracies and factual errors, and still have faith in Jesus! It is NOT all or nothing. There is no need for insecurity, no need to be threatened, no need for validation by others.

You may use the Bible itself to show that is infallible. I will use it to show that itself encourages application of critical thinking skills:

Proverbs 14:15 A simple man believes anything, but a prudent man gives thought to his steps.

Proverbs 19:2 It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way.

Your post boils down to one thing. You reject the word of God in favor of your own religion, one where you can make the rules.

You may know the Scriptures, but you reject what God says. People who reject God’s word will be rejected by God. Like it or not, you will be judged by the Bible, not by your own ideas.

Jesus said: “He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him --- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day” (John 12:48).

You cannot separate Jesus from His word. It is His words that will judge you. Every word written in the Bible are the words of Jesus. The Bible is God breathed, and Jesus is God!

[/quote] YOU SAID: If a reader applies any of their God-given critical thinking or intellect to the Bible, they will have to confront inaccuracies and contradictions galore.

You may use the Bible itself to show that is infallible. I will use it to show that itself encourages application of critical thinking skills:

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18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

We are not saved by knowledge and critical thinking. We are saved by grace through FAITH. Your faith seems to be in your own wisdom.

Katie

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by katiemygirl

Your post boils down to one thing. You reject the word of God in favor of your own religion, one where you can make the rules.

Nonsense. Christ is the only religion we need and following His commands to "love God and each other" daily and repent when we don't is all that need concern us.

You may know the Scriptures, but you reject what God says. People who reject God’s word will be rejected by God. Like it or not, you will be judged by the Bible, not by your own ideas.

We willl NOT be judged by the Bible, katie . . . we will be judged by God. See . . . this is where you equate the Bible to God and tread on very dangerous idolatrous ground!!!

Jesus said: “He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him --- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day” (John 12:48).
You cannot separate Jesus from His word. It is His words that will judge you. Every word written in the Bible are the words of Jesus. The Bible is God breathed, and Jesus is God!

The "precepts and doctrines of men" have convinced you that Jesus wrote the Bible . . . but He wrote NOTHING. God the Father inspired the ancients . . . but they were not infallible and their ignorance and superstition corrupts the inspirations they received. At least they got the prophesies about Christ correct.

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

We are not saved by knowledge and critical thinking. We are saved by grace through FAITH. Your faith seems to be in your own wisdom.

Katie

This has been Satan's greatest triumph . . . convincing believers that they must remain ignorant and accept absurdities to show their faith in God and be saved!!!! What a tragedy and a travesty!!! The religious leaders carry a heavy burden. Knowledge and critical thinking are not separate from Faith . . . they reinforce it.

[ancient warrior]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Nonsense. Christ is the only religion we need and following His commands to "love God and each other" daily and repent when we don't is all that need concern us. We willl NOT be judged by the Bible, katie . . . we will be judged by God. See . . . this is where you equate the Bible to God and tread on very dangerous idolatrous ground!!! The "precepts and doctrines of men" have convinced you that Jesus wrote the Bible . . . but He wrote NOTHING. God the Father inspired the ancients . . . but they were not infallible and their ignorance and superstition corrupts the inspirations they received. At least they got the prophesies about Christ correct.
This has been Satan's greatest triumph . . . convincing believers that they must remain ignorant and accept absurdities to show their faith in God and be saved!!!! What a tragedy and a travesty!!! The religious leaders carry a heavy burden. Knowledge and critical thinking are not separate from Faith . . . they reinforce it.

RESPONSE:

Amen!

>>At least they got the prophesies about Christ correct.<<

Not always.

[katiemygirl]

Originally Posted by ancient warrior

RESPONSE:

Amen!

>>At least they got the prophesies about Christ correct.<<

Not always.

I'm curious AW. Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God and that he died on the cross, was buried and rose from the dead?

Katie

[katiemygirl]

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

Speaking of Prophecy:

It is interesting that the one of the supossed greatest prophecies, Dan.9:24-27, was never once used by any New Testament writer to establish the coming of Christ. Yet, all these obscure and vague OT verses are used to give proof to Christ.

Shiloh,

I asked AW this same question. Would you mind sharing whether you believe Jesus is the Son of God and he died, was buried and ressurected from the dead? Thanks.

Katie

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by katiemygirl

I'm curious AW. Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God and that he died on the cross, was buried and rose from the dead?
Katie

Originally Posted by katiemygirl

Shiloh,
I asked AW this same question. Would you mind sharing whether you believe Jesus is the Son of God and he died, was buried and ressurected from the dead? Thanks.
Katie

This is the "magic" question that is supposed to reveal Satan's children and children of demons. Thank God I believe it . . . but I am still ignored because I know the Bible is fallible and apparently that is also a sign of evil. Sad . . . very sad.

[ancient warrior]

Originally Posted by katiemygirl

I'm curious AW. Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God and that he died on the cross, was buried and rose from the dead?

Katie

RESPONSE:

(1) Many of us are "sons of God." Read the use of this term throughout the OldTestament.

(2) I believe there is enough historical evidence to conclude that Jesus was crucified as an insurectionist.

(3) It is reasonable to believe that Jesus was buried somewhere. This was ordinarily done for those crucified by the Romans using a common grave.

(4) The evidence that Jesus rose from the dead in contradictory and insufficient. Therefore I don't believe it.

[katiemygirl]

Originally Posted by ancient warrior

RESPONSE:

(1) Many of us are "sons of God." Read the use of this term throughout the OldTestament.

(2) I believe there is enough historical evidence to conclude that Jesus was crucified as an insurectionist.

(3) It is reasonable to believe that Jesus was buried somewhere. This was ordinarily done for those crucified by the Romans using a common grave.

(4) The evidence that Jesus rose from the dead in contradictory and insufficient. Therefore I don't believe it.

Thank you for your honesty Ancient Warrior.

I guess that means you don't believe there is any hope of life eternal. IOW, you believe when you die, you're dead all over like Rover. There is nothing beyond the grave.

With that, I guess I can only echo what the apostle Paul said.

19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. (1 Corinthians 15:9)

Katie

[Jerwade]

Originally Posted by katiemygirl

If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. (1 Corinthians 15:9)

"There is life beyond the grave, yet most cannot see it."

[katiemygirl]

Originally Posted by Jerwade

"There is life beyond the grave, yet most cannot see it."

Amen Jerwade! On this we can agree. How sad our sojourn through this world if we didn't have eternal life to look forward to at the end.

Katie