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Old 04-23-2012, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RevelationWriter View Post
- "As Herod the great became ill a struggle for seccession to his throne emerged within his family of 10 marriages and 15 children....

...Because his son Antipater poisioned Heriod's mind against
Archelaus & Phillip.

- Herod chose a younger son Antipas
as sole seccessor to his throne....

- And later changed his will making Archelaus King." [Bible Dictionary]

"But when Joseph heard that
Archelaus was Reigning In Judea in place of his father Herod,
he was afraid to go forth; and being warned by God in a dream.
Joseph withdrew into the parts of Galilee..." - Matt.2:22 [greek]
Yes, Archelaus was reigning as king in Judea but as tetrarch with his brother Antipas (ruler of Galilee and Peraea)and Philip (ruler of Trachontis)

While they were royal rulers, the term 'king' is not correct, though the term is used. They are enthnarchs and tetrarchs -co -rulers of one kingdom in three separate provinces. However, the point here is that while one might confuse the various Herods, examination of history would show that Herod the great could not be the same as King Herod of Acts (Agrippa) or Luke (Antipas).

That's why it does not stack up up that Gamaliel was referring to some earlier 'Theudas' of Herod or Archelaus' time rather than the one hunted down by governor Felix. Thus the weight of evidence is that Luke slipped up and thus did not have first - hand knowledge (or even reliable secon - hand) of the events described in Acts.

That's the point of the thread - errors in Acts and also the implications.
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Old 04-23-2012, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Oleg Bach View Post
Pilate wrote...King of Judea.......He knew that Jesus was the heir to the throne. Killing a king would cause problems so Pilate was reluctant to execute Jesus..Those that wanted him dead were not natives of Judea but interlopers who were involved in a land grab...Paul is not to be listened to- only the words that came from the mouth of Christ are relevant...Most think that Paul who cluttered up most of the NT with his letters....Never met the man personally- Most assume that he sat at the table of Christ....and was his friend...Paul was a user.
From what I read of Pilate, he didn't mess about with threats to the peace of Roman Judea. While it is true that Tiberius took pains to conciliate the Jews (though his locum Sejanus, might have had a harder attitude) the claim of a Jewish royal pretender together with that business in the temple, was cause enough for Pilate to do what he did - nail the fellow up the next morning.

While he was careful to follow the rules -issuing non -pagan coinage, for instance - and worked in co -operation with the Sanhedrin (Caiaphas remained High Priest for the WHOLE of Pilate's term, though before and after, they were changed year to year - which is probably why John assumes that Caiaphas was High Priest for 'that year') he was in the clear with a rabble- rouser like Jesus - especially if the Jews had all been clamouring for the fellow's death.

While it isn't the topic here, the picture of Pilate in the gospels is not credible. It is intended to show the Roman Governor as sympathetic to Christ and the Jews hostile. It is another bit of evidence of the Pauline Christian authorship of the Gospels and Acts.

I agree about Paul. But our present Christianity is based on Paul's ideas - not on the actual words of Jesus.
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Old 04-25-2012, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ancient warrior View Post

Absolutley not! Herod's sons: Archelaus, Antipas, and Philip were not kings, nor were they allowed to call themselves kings.

They would have been crucified like that fellow in the New Testament who was called the "King of the Jews."
Mat 2:19 But Herod having expired, behold, an angel of the Lord appears to Joseph by a dream in Egypt,
Mat 2:20 saying, Rising up, take along the child and His mother and pass over into the land of Israel; for those seeking the soul of the child have expired.
Mat 2:21 And rising up, he took along the child and His mother and came into the land of Israel.
Mat 2:22 But hearing that Archelaus reigned over Judea in place of his father Herod, he feared to go there. And being warned by a dream, he departed into the parts of Galilee.
Mat 2:23 And coming, he lived in a city called Nazareth, so as to fulfill that spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.
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