Still not a universalist? (Gospels, myths, pray, Israel)

[Fasaga]

Originally Posted by Mike555

Since this is not the topic of the thread I can't go into it without risk of it being deleted. But I will say that James E. Padgett claimed to be a medium and to have received messages from Jesus Christ by means of automatic writing. That stuff is demonic to the core. The spirit claiming to be the Jesus of the Bible says that he is not God but a mere spirit. This false Jesus claims that the Bible is in error.

Following is one of the lies of the spirit claiming to be Jesus.

'I was born as you were born. I was the son of Mary and Joseph, and not born of the Holy Spirit, as it is written in the Bible. I was only a human being, as regards my birth and physical existence. The account in the New Testament is not True, and was written by those who knew not what they wrote.'
Divine Love Divine Truth - James E. Padgett

The Divine Love movement is a Satanic deception which attacks Biblically revealed truth.

From what I have read of the Padgett messages, they, in my interpretation, very much follow the concept of Universalism and that is why I introduced it in this thread. My appologies if I have it wrong.

[Fasaga]

Originally Posted by Jerwade

"The age of correction is coming; it’s over the horizon."

I feel that something IS coming, and I feel that there will be alot of very disappointed people out there in both camps. And I say this based on first hand experiences over the past 6 months, and for most of my life I have not followed any Religious calling OR considered myself an Atheist - frankly I wasn't bothered either way but now I am very curious about the truth. With all due respect, even in the posts of these threads there are such contradictory ideas and ideals it is very difficult to see whom has it the most wrong.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Fasaga

From what I have read of the Padgett messages, they, in my interpretation, very much follow the concept of Universalism and that is why I introduced it in this thread. My appologies if I have it wrong.

I think he was a universalist, but certainly not a follower of Christ.

Here is what his mother told him: "Go to the Universalist Church as Helen told you. It is the best one now in existence because it believes more in God's Love without having to worship Jesus."

[Torpedos]

Originally Posted by Mike555

Universalism is a false gospel whose author is Satan. Those who believe it and promote it are pawns and/or wolves in sheeps clothing used by Satan to lull the gullible into a false sense of security regarding their eternal future.

Unbelievers will be resurrected to disgrace and everlasting contempt at the end of the Millennial reign of Christ (Dan 12:2; Rev 20:5). They will spend the eternal future separated from God in torment in the lake of fire (Rev 20:10, 11-15).

So this is what you get when you take everything literal. A lake of fire. How deep is it? the saddest things is that they say that the demons will torment you for eternity. So demons have pleasure by tormenting people. I thought demons get punished. But not according to modern christianity. The only ones punished are those who did not repeat the prayer. Ahhhh, but thank God, my friends, that God is not like us.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Torpedos

So this is what you get when you take everything literal. A lake of fire. How deep is it? the saddest things is that they say that the demons will torment you for eternity. So demons have pleasure by tormenting people. I thought demons get punished. But not according to modern christianity. The only ones punished are those who did not repeat the prayer. Ahhhh, but thank God, my friends, that God is not like us.

Very good point, sounds like demons are rewarded not punished. Simple things such as this if we are open,should really cause us to question what we believe( there's nothing wrong in doing that, doing so does not mean we are questioning God, how those who try to control us would have us believe.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Torpedos

So this is what you get when you take everything literal. A lake of fire. How deep is it? the saddest things is that they say that the demons will torment you for eternity. So demons have pleasure by tormenting people. I thought demons get punished. But not according to modern christianity. The only ones punished are those who did not repeat the prayer. Ahhhh, but thank God, my friends, that God is not like us.

No, Christians do not teach that demons torment people, because such teaching is not Biblical. Whoever told you that did not know what he/she was talking about.

[Mike555]

Originally Posted by Torpedos

So this is what you get when you take everything literal. A lake of fire. How deep is it? the saddest things is that they say that the demons will torment you for eternity. So demons have pleasure by tormenting people. I thought demons get punished. But not according to modern christianity. The only ones punished are those who did not repeat the prayer. Ahhhh, but thank God, my friends, that God is not like us.

The place where both Satan and the fallen angels and unbelieving mankind will spend the eternal future is described in various ways. The lake of fire, the furnace of fire, the eternal fire, the outer darkness, Gehenna. Jesus Christ said that in that place there would be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Daniel 12:2 says it will be a place where those who are there will be in disgrace and everlasting contempt.

Demons will not be tormenting unbelievers. And nothing that I have ever said implied that they would. Satan and the fallen angels will be in the same situation as unbelieving mankind.

Matthew 8:28 When He came to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, two men who were demon-possessed met Him as they were coming out of the tombs. They were so extremely violent that no one could pass by that way. 29] And they cried out, saying, "What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?" (It is the demons who are speaking.)

Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.



And modern Christianity has nothing to do with it. See what the early church fathers had to say about the lake of fire.

What Did the Early Christians Believe About Hell? (http://www.pleaseconvinceme.com/index/What_did_the_Early_Christians_Believe_About_Hell - broken link)

What Early Christians believed about Hell & Eternal Punishment

[pcamps]

Well your man who went to hell and back( yea he made it out of hell) believes in being tormented by evil forces.

23 Minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese--Hell demons punishment torment Christian afterlife - Beliefnet.com

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Mike555

The place where both Satan and the fallen angels and unbelieving mankind will spend the eternal future is described in various ways. The lake of fire, the furnace of fire, the eternal fire, the outer darkness, Gehenna. Jesus Christ said that in that place there would be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Daniel 12:2 says it will be a place where those who are there will be in disgrace and everlasting contempt.

Demons will not be tormenting unbelievers. And nothing that I have ever said implied that they would. Satan and the fallen angels will be in the same situation as unbelieving mankind.

Matthew 8:28 When He came to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, two men who were demon-possessed met Him as they were coming out of the tombs. They were so extremely violent that no one could pass by that way. 29] And they cried out, saying, "What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?" (It is the demons who are speaking.)

Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

And modern Christianity has nothing to do with it. See what the early church fathers had to say about the lake of fire.

What Did the Early Christians Believe About Hell? (http://www.pleaseconvinceme.com/index/What_did_the_Early_Christians_Believe_About_Hell - broken link)
What Early Christians believed about Hell & Eternal Punishment

I agree, and the early church agrees.

[Geoff_in_Aus]

Originally Posted by Fasaga

From what I have read of the Padgett messages, they, in my interpretation, very much follow the concept of Universalism and that is why I introduced it in this thread. My appologies if I have it wrong.

That is probably correct, but they differ too, in that they do teach, and practice the receipt of Divine Love as brought by the Holy Spirit. This eventually achieves a new birth of the soul. If the criteria for judging these is that they must conform to orthodoxy, then they will fail that test. If however you test the words of Jesus, as reported by James Padgett, you personally can discover that they are true. That being the case, I think a reasonable man would then question orthodoxy. This is what Jesus said through James Padgett:

"No man can come to the Father's Love, except he be born again. This is the great and fundamental Truth which men must learn and believe, for without this New Birth men cannot partake of the Divine Essence of God's Love, which, when possessed by a man, makes him at one with the Father. This Love comes to man by the workings of the Holy Ghost, causing this love to flow into the heart and soul, and filling it, so that all sin and error must be eradicated. I am not going to tell tonight just how this working of the spirit operates, but, I say, if a man will pray to the Father and believe, and earnestly ask that this Love be given him, he will receive it; and when it comes into his soul he will realize it.
Let not men think that by any effort of their own they can come into this union with the father, because they cannot. No river can rise higher than its source; and no man who has only the natural love and filled with error can of his own powers cause that natural love to partake of the Divine, or his nature to be relieved of such sin and error. "

and

"And I further informed them, that, if they wished to assert the truth of my words, they should try and test my teachings that the Father's Love was now available, and pray for it to the Father in earnest prayer, and see whether, if this was done in sincerity, the Father's Love, conveyed through the Holy Spirit, would burn and glow in the soul, by which sign they would realize His Love was present therein."

and

"When on earth I taught the doctrine of salvation only through the workings of the Holy Spirit in fulfilling the commandments of the Father. Mere belief in me or in my name without this Love will never enable any man to become the possessor of this Love. Hence the saying; "that all sins against me or even against God's commandments may be forgiven men, but the sin against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven them, neither while on earth nor when in the spirit world." This means that so long as a man rejects the influences of the Spirit he sins against it, and such sin prevents him from receiving this Divine Love; and hence, in that state he cannot possibly be forgiven, and be permitted to enter into the Celestial Kingdom of the Father."