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Old 04-19-2012, 06:04 AM
 
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This is inaccurate. I think it would be best to leave it to the Universalists to answer questions about what Universalists believe. You clearly dislike your Universalist brothers/sisters in Christ because they disagree with your doctrine. What's new? If you can't even love those who believe in and love Jesus Christ, how on earth are you going to come close to loving your enemies as Jesus commanded?


Just because people do not agree with your views, doesn't mean they don't love anyone.
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Old 04-19-2012, 06:12 AM
 
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Sins - which the wages of is Death.

Sin is the transgression of God's Law.
Hello Trettep,

Can you clarify? Are we saved from sin or are we saved from death? Not looking to debate. Just want to know what you think. Maybe you could explain further?

Katie
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Old 04-19-2012, 06:14 AM
 
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If you don't consider yourself universalist, what do you consider yourself? What group do you worship with? Are you a christian? What's the difference between a universalist and a christian universalist?
Some universalists believe in Jesus and some don't. Some universalists say that with universalism you can worship God's love without having to worship Jesus. Maybe that helps you understand where they come from. When you worship "love", there is no need to worship Jesus. Some will say that God=Jesus=Love=Universe, so in essence you worship Jesus by worshipping love.

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Another poster said universalists don't need to accept Jesus as savior or have faith to be saved. Do you agree?
The ones who believe in Jesus believe that sinners will have another opportunity to accept Jesus after they die.
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Old 04-19-2012, 06:15 AM
 
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That pretty much sums it up.
I understand that part Finn. It's all the other stuff I'm trying to figure out.

Katie
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Old 04-19-2012, 06:19 AM
 
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Some universalists believe in Jesus and some don't. Some universalists say that with universalism you can worship God's love without having to worship Jesus. Maybe that helps you understand where they come from. When you worship "love", there is no need to worship Jesus. Some will say that God=Jesus=Love=Universe, so in essence you worship Jesus by worshipping love.



The ones who believe in Jesus believe that sinners will have another opportunity to accept Jesus after they die.
Very helpful answer Finn. Thank you.

Katie
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Old 04-19-2012, 06:24 AM
 
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Because it will be non-contradictory. Truth favors itself.
Non contradictory to what? What truth? Where does your source of truth come from?

Let me reiterate. Not looking to debate. Just trying to understand.

Are you universalist? Christian universalist? Would you mind sharing your beliefs?

Thank you,

Katie
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Old 04-19-2012, 06:27 AM
 
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3. Are some atheists universalists?

4. Are some agnostics universalists?

6. What is unitarian universalism?
I'll answer these three questions, as I am an atheist, and an agnostic, and a Unitarian Universalist. However, I do not pretend to speak for all atheists, agnostics, or Unitarian Universalists.

Atheists, by definition, do not have a belief in god(s). They can believe anything else and still by definition still be atheists. So, some atheists may believe in an afterlife. If they believe that everybody goes to a good afterlife, for example Summerland which is the Wiccan afterlife, then they might be considered universalists.

Agnostics hold the position that one cannot know that there is a god or that there is no god. Agnosticism reveals nothing about whether the person believes there is a god or believes there is no god. Agnosticism basically can be summed up as, "I don't know whether there is a god and you don't either". Agnostics can also be theists, meaning they think there probably is a god, but they maintain that no one can know for sure, or they can also be atheists, meaning they think there probably isn't a god, and they maintain that no one can know for sure. Agnostics could also not have a position on whether or not there is a god, as long as they also hold that one cannot know whether there is or isn't. As such, one could have an agnostic atheist who is also a universalist, as explained in the preceding paragraph. Or, one could have an agnostic theist who is also a universalist because they believe all people will eventually have a pleasant afterlife.

Unitarian Universalism is a liberal religion that grew out of two Christian denominations: Unitarianism and Universalism. Although we combined the names of those denominations to form the name of our denomination, neither word is a very accurate description of what most of us believe. Many of us don't believe there is a god, which means we can't be Unitarian in our beliefs, and many of us don't believe in an afterlife, which means we can't be Universalists. However, pretty much without exception, I don't think any of us believe anyone is going to hell, so in that way we might carry on that universalist spirit.

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Unitarian Universalism is a religious denomination characterized by support for a "free and responsible search for truth and meaning". Unitarian Universalists do not share a creed; rather, they are unified by their shared search for spiritual growth and by the understanding that an individual's theology is a result of that search and not obedience to an authoritarian requirement. Unitarian Universalists draw on many different theological sources and have a wide range of beliefs and practices.


Historically, both Unitarianism and Universalism have roots in the Christian faith. Contemporary Unitarian Universalism espouses a pluralist approach to religious belief, whereby members may describe themselves as atheist, agnostic, deist, monotheist, polytheist, or assume no label at all.
There are seven principles which Unitarian Universalist congregations affirm and promote:
  • The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
  • Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
  • Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
  • A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
  • The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
  • The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
  • Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.
You can learn more about this liberal religion at its website: UUA: Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations
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Old 04-19-2012, 06:29 AM
 
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Hello Trettep,

Can you clarify? Are we saved from sin or are we saved from death? Not looking to debate. Just want to know what you think. Maybe you could explain further?

Katie
Sin, since what is life if sin may abound? Additionally, that is what the very purpose of the Christ (our Savior) was:

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
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Old 04-19-2012, 06:31 AM
 
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Do all universalists consider themselves christians?

2. Are there different kinds of universalists? What are they?

3. Are some atheists universalists?

4. Are some agnostics universalists?

5. Do all universalists believe that eternal torment is non existent?

6. What is unitarian universalism?

7. Do universalists believe in the trinity?

8. Do universalists believe that Jesus is deity?

9. Do all universalists believe in UR?
When I was a Christian who believed in Universal Reconciliation I believed:

That the bible (in the original languages) was the inerrant, infallible word of God

In the Trinity

That believing in Jesus was the only way to be saved from sin and death

That not all people would believe in Jesus in this lifetime

That since God's mercy never ends and love never fails, and since God's Word (Jesus) always accomplishes God's will, and since God's will is that ALL be saved, and since as all in Adam die and all in Christ are made alive therefore, all people will believe in Jesus either in this lifetime or in the afterlife.

That the "lake of fire" is not eternal torment but has to do with correction, chastisement, and discipline for a finite amount of time with the purpose of bringing all to a recognition of the way of salvation (Jesus Christ).

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Not all Christians who believe in UR accept all of those things. The only thing all Christian URists seem to be in 100% agreement on is that God is saving ALL people THROUGH Jesus Christ.

Unitarian Universalism is an all-inclusive group that does not have a shared set of beliefs about God (or even if there is a God) and are united more over a "liberal" world view and tolerance. In other words, UU is not a religion, it is more of a humanist organization.

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Old 04-19-2012, 06:33 AM
 
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Non contradictory to what? What truth? Where does your source of truth come from?

Let me reiterate. Not looking to debate. Just trying to understand.

Are you universalist? Christian universalist? Would you mind sharing your beliefs?

Thank you,

Katie
Non contradictory to its own self. Truth is Truth - it is void of the contradiction. I am indeed a universalist in the sense that I believe God will have all to be saved in due time and due order and to be testified of every man.
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