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Where in the world (or elsewhere) do you keep getting this type of bizzare 'information'?? --- Clearly not the Bible or God's Holy Spirit ... since neither, like God, are the author of confusion. You must have some private, 'Mystic-al' channel --
General question: does CONSTANTLY talking about and CONSTANTLY quoting Scripture, typical of many "born agains," seriously make them think that it bolsters their chances for salvation?
It seems that way. It gets tiring. There are other things people are supposed to be doing during the day, too. I guess they've never heard of the concept of "diminishing returns."
That's easy. Any Christian who has not yet died. The ONLY way to be born again is to be dead and reborn as Spirit. Everyone who is born as Spirit is Spirit and can flit around like the wind. No one alive today can do that. What they are referring to is being "conceived or begotten"(gennao) of God (eg. Born of God) . . . which is our current embryo Spirit state. We have to complete our spiritual development here before we physically die and are born again as Spirit.
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Originally Posted by jghorton
Where in the world (or elsewhere) do you keep getting this type of bizzare 'information'?? --- Clearly not the Bible or God's Holy Spirit ... since neither, like God, are the author of confusion. You must have some private, 'Mystic-al' channel --
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
It's written in his heart......
Where did he get that? From Jesus' own words. If you actually listen to what Jesus said and not what a preacher or theologian told you, you'll see that Jesus never said anything about our ability to "make a decision" to be born again. In fact, He said "do not marvel," which means "don't wonder about it," or in our modern language "don't worry about it." If it's a decision we must make to help save ourselves, He would not have told us not to worry about it! He said that because it's in God's hands. He caused us to be born and He will cause us to be born again.
John 3:
4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
Where did he get that? From Jesus' own words. If you actually listen to what Jesus said and not what a preacher or theologian told you, you'll see that Jesus never said anything about our ability to "make a decision" to be born again. In fact, He said "do not marvel," which means "don't wonder about it," or in our modern language "don't worry about it." If it's a decision we must make to help save ourselves, He would not have told us not to worry about it! He said that because it's in God's hands. He caused us to be born and He will cause us to be born again.
John 3:
4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
Where did he get that? From Jesus' own words. If you actually listen to what Jesus said and not what a preacher or theologian told you, you'll see that Jesus never said anything about our ability to "make a decision" to be born again. In fact, He said "do not marvel," which means "don't wonder about it," or in our modern language "don't worry about it." If it's a decision we must make to help save ourselves, He would not have told us not to worry about it! He said that because it's in God's hands. He caused us to be born and He will cause us to be born again.
John 3:
4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
You are a bright and shining light upon the hill, BHFT!. Still can't rep you . . . but I adore your posts.
General question: does CONSTANTLY talking about and CONSTANTLY quoting Scripture, typical of many "born agains," seriously make them think that it bolsters their chances for salvation?
It seems that way. It gets tiring. There are other things people are supposed to be doing during the day, too. I guess they've never heard of the concept of "diminishing returns."
I have been criticized for just generally quoting Scripture instead of looking it up, quoting it word-for-word, and giving the reference. And some have criticized me for not using the KJV while others have criticized me for using it!
I have been criticized for just generally quoting Scripture instead of looking it up, quoting it word-for-word, and giving the reference. And some have criticized me for not using the KJV while others have criticized me for using it!
Where did he get that? From Jesus' own words. If you actually listen to what Jesus said and not what a preacher or theologian told you, you'll see that Jesus never said anything about our ability to "make a decision" to be born again. In fact, He said "do not marvel," which means "don't wonder about it," or in our modern language "don't worry about it." If it's a decision we must make to help save ourselves, He would not have told us not to worry about it! He said that because it's in God's hands. He caused us to be born and He will cause us to be born again.
John 3:
4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
No he did not get it from Jesus' own words. And 'do not marvel' does not mean do not worry. It means 'don't be amazed', 'don't be astonished', 'don't be surprised.' Jesus told Nicodemus not to be astonished at being told that he must be born again. John 3:15-16 which is part of the very same passage then gives the means by which one is born again. By believing in Jesus Christ for eternal life.
Jesus did indeed teach that one must make a choice to come to Him for salvation. The free gift of salvation is an offer. Jesus extended the invitation to come to Him.
Matthew 11:28 "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.''
John 6:37 'Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.
Those are invitations given by Jesus to come to Him in response to the gospel by which means God enables those who hear the gospel message to understand and respond. And many have accepted the invitation and have come to Christ for eternal life.
But here is an example of some who made the choice to not come to Jesus.
John 5:39 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, 40] and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
The choice is to come to Christ through a positive faith response to the gospel or to resist the Holy Spirit's convicting ministry at gospel hearing (John 16:8-11).
Acts 7:51 "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
That an invitation is given by Christ to come to Him means that one can come to Him. That one can choose not to come to Him but rather resist the Holy Spirit at the point of gospel hearing means CHOICE.
In Revelation 22:17 the invitation is given by the Holy Spirit and by the bride (the church) to come for eternal life.
Rev 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.
No he did not get it from Jesus' own words. And 'do not marvel' does not mean do not worry. It means 'don't be amazed', 'don't be astonished', 'don't be surprised.' Jesus told Nicodemus not to be astonished at being told that he must be born again. John 3:15-16 which is part of the very same passage then gives the means by which one is born again. By believing in Jesus Christ for eternal life.
Jesus did indeed teach that one must make a choice to come to Him for salvation. The free gift of salvation is an offer. Jesus extended the invitation to come to Him.
Matthew 11:28 "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.''
John 6:37 'Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.
Those are invitations given by Jesus to come to Him in response to the gospel by which means God enables those who hear the gospel message to understand and respond. And many have accepted the invitation and have come to Christ for eternal life.
But here is an example of some who made the choice to not come to Jesus.
John 5:39 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, 40] and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
The choice is to come to Christ through a positive faith response to the gospel or to resist the Holy Spirit's convicting ministry at gospel hearing (John 16:8-11).
Acts 7:51 "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
That an invitation is given by Christ to come to Him means that one can come to Him. That one can choose not to come to Him but rather resist the Holy Spirit at the point of gospel hearing means CHOICE.
In Revelation 22:17 the invitation is given by the Holy Spirit and by the bride (the church) to come for eternal life.
Rev 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.
No he did not get it from Jesus' own words. And 'do not marvel' does not mean do not worry. It means 'don't be amazed', 'don't be astonished', 'don't be surprised.' Jesus told Nicodemus not to be astonished at being told that he must be born again. John 3:15-16 which is part of the very same passage then gives the means by which one is born again. By believing in Jesus Christ for eternal life.
Jesus did indeed teach that one must make a choice to come to Him for salvation. The free gift of salvation is an offer. Jesus extended the invitation to come to Him.
Jesus NEVER said believe IN me. He said come to me and follow me and follow my commands to "love God and each other."As Jerwade said, "The Way is a walk." Christ did NOT say "Come believe in me."
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