Bible does NOT say one man and one woman (Jehovah, punishment, believe)

[atomtkirk]

Originally Posted by mensaguy

OK. I guess it's not in there. If it was there, nobody would have to contort and twist the words to try to get the meaning they want to see.

You asked for scripture that condemns lesbianism...

I gave you Romans 1.

I contorted nothing. I quoted scripture that you asked for.

It is clear in its meaning.

It IS in there. If you want to deny the scriptures message... that's up to you.

don't ask the question if you don't want the answer.

Your response to the scripture is bland and not very convincing. The bible wasn't written for your benefit and in a language that you approve of alone. You can't read the bible and say, "Well since i don't see a verse that says, 'God condemns lesbians.' then i guess He doesn't since he'd have to use those words and those words in that order."

What do you think that Romans 1 is meaning to say?... the part i quoted.

[mensaguy]

Originally Posted by atomtkirk

You asked for scripture that condemns lesbianism...

I gave you Romans 1.

I contorted nothing. I quoted scripture that you asked for.

It is clear in its meaning.

It IS in there. If you want to deny the scriptures message... that's up to you.

don't ask the question if you don't want the answer.

Your response to the scripture is bland and not very convincing. The bible wasn't written for your benefit and in a language that you approve of alone. You can't read the bible and say, "Well since i don't see a verse that says, 'God condemns lesbians.' then i guess He doesn't since he'd have to use those words and those words in that order."

What do you think that Romans 1 is meaning to say?... the part i quoted.

You read a lot into it. Up to verse 25, it is basic greetings from Paul to the Romans. Nothing specific is mentioned about sex until lust and bodies are mentioned in verse 24.

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Part of one verse MIGHT be construed to mean some "unnatural" behavior by women, but it is far from obvious that he means lesbian relationships. I asked the question because it ISN'T in there. If you want to cite Biblical quotations to support your dislike of same sex relationships, you can find some passages that condemn "men with men," but there is no clear passage about "women with women." (Unless you want to make up some new interpretations.)

[Mikelee81]

Originally Posted by mensaguy

OK. I guess it's not in there. If it was there, nobody would have to contort and twist the words to try to get the meaning they want to see.

Romans 1

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Also the men ties it to verse 26. The men were doing what the woman were doing. While man was with man woman was with woman leaving the natural use of their body against nature.

Even Anatomy teaches us it was suppose to be Man and Woman. Two screws don't go together neither do two bolts. You need a screw and a bolt to make it work.

[jghorton]

Originally Posted by 007.5

The Bible REPORTS on polygamy, racism, slavery, degradation of women, etc...in a society at the time that was flourishing in it. There are so many misconceptions, non sequiturs, and strawman attacks when it comes to the critics of The Christian Faith and they dont really want or care about the truth of matters. Then motive is to defame Christianity so God can be pushed aside thereby permitting maximized autonomy of lifestyle choices thinking no ultimate moral accountability will ever come.

Very well stated! -- The approach is an "infants and natives" search for loopholes that many use to justify Godless, unrighteous lifestyles and Bible-rejecting 'theologies.'

In the world, slick, legal arguments' often allow unrighteousness to prevail. But, they hold no water with a God who sees the inner heart of every person.

[DellNec]

Originally Posted by lee9786

Find me a passage where God specifically condones polygamy.

Just because these folks fell by transgression does not mean that God condones it.

Deuteronomy 21:15-16 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love.

Here God gives instructions to those who have multiple wives that they should give the inheritance to the firstborn of the wife they love more.

God DID NOT condemn polygamy and God actually blessed those who had more wives (Abraham, Moses, Joshua, David, etc) Solomon had 700 wives and got blessed him more and more with the more wives he added. There are 613 laws that God wrote down in the Old Testament. NOT ONE, let me repeat that, NOT ONE is against multiple wives. Actually, the opposite is true, the more wives the OT prophets had, the more God blessed them.

God actually told David that he would have given David MORE wives if he wanted them. God was NOT against multiple wives, God was against "adultery" which was sleeping with another mans wife.

2 Samuel 12:7-9Nathan said to David, “You are the man! Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you out of the hand of Saul. 8 And I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more.

So if you, "Lee", believe polygamy was a sin, you are basically stating that God promoted, endorsed and blessed this "sinful" act. You have dug yourself into a huge theological mess. The way out of it is to admit that polygamy was allowed by God.

[Bideshi]

Originally Posted by mensaguy

OK. I guess it's not in there. If it was there, nobody would have to contort and twist the words to try to get the meaning they want to see.

You guess wrong. Romans 1:26

[thrillobyte]

I suppose the most direct argument in favor of one man-one woman can be found in Jesus' own words, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way." Or "....but from the beginning God did not intend it to be this way" Matt.19:8

There you have it, kiddies. God did not condone it, but He permitted it because He was dealing with humans and knew what they were all about.

[Bideshi]

Originally Posted by thrillobyte

I suppose the most direct argument in favor of one man-one woman can be found in Jesus' own words, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way." Or "....but from the beginning God did not intend it to be this way" Matt.19:8

There you have it, kiddies. God did not condone it, but He permitted it because He was dealing with humans and knew what they were all about.

What He was taliking about was divorce, not having more than one wife.

[DellNec]

Originally Posted by Bideshi

What He was taliking about was divorce, not having more than one wife.

Exactly!

Jesus was talking about divorce, and that divorce was bad. Never in the Bible is having multiple wives stated as being immoral or wrong. The opposite is true, it encouraged it, especially in the OT.

I believe our societal beliefs have made "polygamy" a taboo. Some cultures are still OK with it but American culture is not.

While I am NOT a polygamist, one thing is certain, the Bible does not speak against it and actually promotes it. It's a hard pill for most Christians to swallow but it is what it is.

[Bideshi]

Originally Posted by DellNec

While I am NOT a polygamist, one thing is certain, the Bible does not speak against it and actually promotes it.

I disagree that the Bible promotes it. Jesus advised that it was better for a man not to marry at all, but that if he must he should marry one wife. I believe this was given as good advice rather than a commandment.