A Catholic Spring? (women, marriage, history, bishop)

[robertpolyglot]

Originally Posted by cpg35223

Hopefully not. But I wouldn't be blind to the possibility. We bailed on our children's parochial school when the Dominican sisters, in accordance with Ratzinger's edict, began teaching all the prayers in Latin.

LOL, cpg, didn't know you had kids being taught by our "penguin" friends. Just kidding. Of the ones in my grammar school, most were sweet ladies, a few were crusty Irish broads, and there was one that needed serious psychiatric assessment for sadistic tendencies (but I got lucky and got the non-religious teacher that year).

About the Latin, I don't blame you. This is America. The service should be in English. People shouldn't be made to learn Latin solely to pray and attend religious services. The only help it might be is that some terms encountered in a legal education are in Latin. Someone can learn that in law school, if that's what they choose to do.

My Dad and I had an interesting locking of horns at the beginning of high school. (Can you imagine two people with the same type of personality?) As I was starting HS, he wanted me to take Latin..."you'll need it later in life." He used to attend Mass in Latin in Europe, so he was projecting. I told him there was no way I would take a "dead language" and I can substitute another Latin-rooted language in its place. I took French for 3 years and blew everybody out of the water, including kids with parents from France and Quebec. Why? I REALLY was interested in the subject. So, Dad, what'll it be, an A(+) in French or a reluctant B in Latin?

[Julian658]

Originally Posted by robertpolyglot

LOL, cpg, didn't know you had kids being taught by our "penguin" friends. Just kidding. Of the ones in my grammar school, most were sweet ladies, a few were crusty Irish broads, and there was one that needed serious psychiatric assessment for sadistic tendencies (but I got lucky and got the non-religious teacher that year).

About the Latin, I don't blame you. This is America. The service should be in English. People shouldn't be made to learn Latin solely to pray and attend religious services. The only help it might be is that some terms encountered in a legal education are in Latin. Someone can learn that in law school, if that's what they choose to do.

My Dad and I had an interesting locking of horns at the beginning of high school. (Can you imagine two people with the same type of personality?) As I was starting HS, he wanted me to take Latin..."you'll need it later in life." He used to attend Mass in Latin in Europe, so he was projecting. I told him there was no way I would take a "dead language" and I can substitute another Latin-rooted language in its place. I took French for 3 years and blew everybody out of the water, including kids with parents from France and Quebec. Why? I REALLY was interested in the subject. So, Dad, what'll it be, an A(+) in French or a reluctant B in Latin?

I think you are missing the point. For example:

There is a reason why Jews learn basic Hebrew. They do so to know their history and to help them become more spiritual and closer to God.

There is no harm or foul by knowing the history of the RCC (the good and the bad). Pretending Latin never existed creates the type of ignorance among Catholics that makes them become Protestant fundamentalists.

The Ave Maria should be done in Latin and not in any other language. It is all about the old traditions.

[cmforte]

robertpolyglot;24478560

About the Latin, I don't blame you. This is America. The service should be in English.

I'm sorry, robertpolyglot, but what does it matter what country we're in? Why only English? What is wrong with other languages? Latin, Greek, whatever....remember, we're not an American church, we're a Catholic (universal) Church.

[cmforte]

Originally Posted by Julian658

I think you are missing the point. For example:

There is a reason why Jews learn basic Hebrew. They do so to know their history and to help them become more spiritual and closer to God.

There is no harm or foul by knowing the history of the RCC (the good and the bad). Pretending Latin never existed creates the type of ignorance among Catholics that makes them become Protestant fundamentalists.

The Ave Maria should be done in Latin and not in any other language. It is all about the old traditions.

Some people just have a rabid and at times irrational hatred for traditions. Especially protestants who's favorite line used to denigrate the RCC with is that we use "traditions of men." Again, sadly, some of this protestant mindset has made it into the Catholic Church, especially among some of our fellow laity.

[ted08721]

Originally Posted by Julian658

Wow, my kids never had a chance to learn their prayers in Latin. I would loved that sort of tradition. Why are you so much against Latin? Are you a Protestant?

So now if one is not in favor of latin they are accused of being a protestant

[cmforte]

Originally Posted by ted08721

So now if one is not in favor of latin they are accused of being a protestant

No, but hating Latin to the point of taking your kids out of a Catholic school or walking out of a Mass in protest is (and over such a trivial matter, at that). Why so much hate for Latin? What is wrong with it?

[auntieannie68]

Originally Posted by ted08721

So now if one is not in favor of latin they are accused of being a protestant

oh oh!--i now know 2 middle age priests that may be protestant cause they detest latin and the pre vatican latin mass

[cmforte]

Originally Posted by auntieannie68

oh oh!--i now know 2 middle age priests that may be protestant cause they detest latin and the pre vatican latin mass

Did they say why?

And I'm not saying that it should be Church law that we always and only use Latin in prayers and Mass (though I'm not against that and love the Latin Mass) (and that is not Church law, btw), I'm just commenting on this irrational hatred for Latin. Especially when that hatred moves someone to take their kid out of a Catholic school or to walk out of or avoid a Mass. That seems to be a little over-reaction!

[auntieannie68]

Originally Posted by cmforte

Did they say why?

And I'm not saying that it should be Church law that we always and only use Latin in prayers and Mass (though I'm not against that and love the Latin Mass) (and that is not Church law, btw), I'm just commenting on this irrational hatred for Latin. Especially when that hatred moves someone to take their kid out of a Catholic school or to walk out of or avoid a Mass. That seems to be a little over-reaction!

i got no answer as to why--except one did say that it was not required,he would not attempt to even learn to say a mass in latin----i told him my former church had a latin mass every sunday and it was well attended by parishoners of all ages----he did not believe me----another myth shattered as before this i thought all priests knew and respected the latin language

[cmforte]

Originally Posted by auntieannie68

i got no answer as to why--except one did say that it was not required,he would not attempt to even learn to say a mass in latin----i told him my former church had a latin mass every sunday and it was well attended by parishoners of all ages----he did not believe me----another myth shattered as before this i thought all priests knew and respected the latin language

I would think that it would be a requirement in seminary....like Hebrew and Greek. They probably learned it at one time but forgot and are too lazy to study it again to refresh their memories. There are also a lot of malcontent, dissident, Liberal, and "post-Vatican II" (the way they interpret Vatican II) priests now-a-days.