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Old 06-03-2012, 11:42 PM
 
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It was formed to assist believers in combating two errors that undermined Bible teaching.
  1. One error denied that God's Son and the Holy Spirit are of one being or Godhead with the Father.
  2. The other error denied that Jesus Christ is true God and true man in one person
whoever rejects the doctrine of the Trinity and the doctrine of Christ is without the saving faith and will certainly perish forever.
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Old 06-04-2012, 09:07 PM
 
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whoever rejects the doctrine of the Trinity and the doctrine of Christ is without the saving faith and will certainly perish forever.
God is the Savior of all men God bless and peace.
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Old 06-05-2012, 10:29 AM
 
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God is the Savior of all men.
Thus proving why the Athanasian Creed

Jesus is God and true man John 1:1, Matthew 8:17
God is Triune Colossians 2:9, Matthew 28:19

John 8:42-47

"Why is my language (John 1:1, Matthew 8:17, Colossians 2:9, Matthew 28:19) not clear to you?
  • Because you are unable to hear what I say. \
  • You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your fatherís desire.
  • He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. ...
  • He who belongs to God hears what God says.
  • The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.Ē
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Old 06-05-2012, 10:34 AM
 
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It's also when, traditionally, the newest clergy in the parish has to give the sermon, primarily because the subject is so abstruse that the senior clergy just don't want to fool with it.
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Old 06-05-2012, 10:44 AM
 
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It was formed to assist believers in combating two errors that undermined Bible teaching.
  1. One error denied that God's Son and the Holy Spirit are of one being or Godhead with the Father.
  2. The other error denied that Jesus Christ is true God and true man in one person
whoever rejects the doctrine of the Trinity and the doctrine of Christ is without the saving faith and will certainly perish forever.
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Oh come now. What about all those early Christians before the doctrine of the Trinity was invented and before it began to be believed that Jesus was divine?

And what about those who never heard of the Trinity? Or having heard it, do not accept the Christian faith? Are you going to tell us they all go to hell?

Still, you're entitled to your opinion no matter how incorrect it may be.
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Old 06-05-2012, 10:54 AM
 
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Oh come now. What about all those early Christians before the doctrine of the Trinity was invented and before it began to be believed that Jesus was divine?

And what about those who never heard of the Trinity? Or having heard it, do not accept the Christian faith? Are you going to tell us they all go to hell?

Still, you're entitled to your opinion no matter how incorrect it may be.

John 8:42-47
"Why is my language (John 1:1, Matthew 8:17, Colossians 2:9, Matthew 28:19) not clear to you?
  • Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your fatherís desire.
By God's grace John 1:1, Matthew 8:17, Colossians 2:9, Matthew 28:19 is clear to me.
Job 34:33
Should God then reward you on your terms, when you refuse to repent?


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Old 06-05-2012, 11:39 AM
 
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John 8:42-47

"Why is my language (John 1:1, Matthew 8:17, Colossians 2:9, Matthew 28:19) not clear to you?
  • Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your fatherís desire.
By God's grace John 1:1, Matthew 8:17, Colossians 2:9, Matthew 28:19 is clear to me.
Job 34:33
Should God then reward you on your terms, when you refuse to repent?


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Many realize that:

(1) The bible isn't inspired.

(2) There is really nothing in the bible about the Trinity except for several later interpolations (addions made for doctrinal reasons).

(3) Some people gain their personal poser by quoting the bible to try to control others. (The Rev. James Jones is an extreme example of when credulous people allow this to happen).

Jim Jones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:03 PM
 
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Many realize that:

(1) The bible isn't inspired.

(2) There is really nothing in the bible about the Trinity except for several later interpolations (addions made for doctrinal reasons).

(3) Some people gain their personal poser by quoting the bible to try to control others. (The Rev. James Jones is an extreme example of when credulous people allow this to happen).

Jim Jones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1) Just because many have that understanding doesn't mean they're correct.

2) is only factual when #1 is wanton conclusion to justify their rejection of the Bible

3) That I agree with about Jones... but it's not the fault of what is in the Bible that enabled the types like Jones and other cults.

The OT Jews knew of the Triune God, for God is described only one God yet refering himself in the plural. That is why when Jesus says he is the "Son of God" the Jews accused him of blasphemy.

Other than that ... that is why the Athenisian Creed is just as important today as it was back in the 4th century.
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:28 PM
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It's also when, traditionally, the newest clergy in the parish has to give the sermon, primarily because the subject is so abstruse that the senior clergy just don't want to fool with it.
Hahahaha. Mine started his Trinity Sunday sermon with "we all love mysteries, right? You can't wait until the end of the book or the movie to see how the mystery is solved. Well, the Trinity is one mystery that's not going to be solved for you."
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:45 PM
 
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1) Just because many have that understanding doesn't mean they're correct.

2) is only factual when #1 is wanton conclusion to justify their rejection of the Bible

3) That I agree with about Jones... but it's not the fault of what is in the Bible that enabled the types like Jones and other cults.

The OT Jews knew of the Triune God, for God is described only one God yet refering himself in the plural. That is why when Jesus says he is the "Son of God" the Jews accused him of blasphemy.

Other than that ... that is why the Athenisian Creed is just as important today as it was back in the 4th century.
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Did you ever hear of the poetic "we"? The pope uses it all the time. Does that mean he's a Trinity too?

The Jews had the bible a lot longer than do Christians. Why don't they believe in a Trinity?

The term son of God doesn't establish divinity. You'll find lots of sons of God in the Old Testament. It was a title of respect.

Jesus was accused of blasphemy for using trhe term the "power" Look it up.

It became necessary to have more than one person in God when it began to be believed that Jesus too was divine. Or else the Christians would have violated the Shema, the most important of Jewish teachings.

Did you ever wonder why the Jew let the Christians remain a Jewish sect if they believed in two Gods? The answer is the Christians originally didn't.
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