Can One Who Is Born Of God Continue To Commit Willfull Sin And Still Receive Eternal Life..... (church, preaching)

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by Prairieparson

Actually, in a few cases, Jesus didn't obey the law, in a technical sense. For example, He healed on the Sabbath. That could be defined as work on the Sabbath. How could that be? Love. Jesus didn't work for his own betterment. He sacrificed His power, time, energy, He healed out of love. Love is the fulfillment of the law.

1Jn 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother. 　
1Jn 3:11 This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another.

1Jn 4:11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
1Jn 4:12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
1Jn 4:16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him.

As Luther said, the whole Christian faith can be described in two words, Faith and love. Faith in Jesus, by which we are righteous before God, and Love for one another.

Peace.

Jesus NEVER disobeyed the Law of His Father...NEVER...don't ever teach this ! The things he did on the Sabbath he was showing us we are allowed to do...the Pharisees forbid ! anyone do anything ! but all their legalistic "shows"...Jesus taught us it is o.k. to eat when hungered on the Sabbath...whether it be the shewbread in the temple...or gleening grain in a field to eat of it as we pass through on the Sabbath...or to help one in need without receiving payment for it...whatever we do on the Sabbath do it as unto the LORD...honor Him.

It is quite clear you have no understanding of Scripture in Spirit and in Truth.

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by redvelvet709

I think you might be right here. Grace is certain, and those pure in heart will still sin. We all have ours, every one of us.

Grace is not certain !

Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen. Ephesians 6:24.
To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. Amen. Romans 2:7.

What is this sincere love that we love our Lord Jesus Christ with ? He said, "If you love me, keep my commandments." Amen.

...and he said, "If you will have life, keep my commandments." Amen.

And those pure in heart DO NOT commit willfull sin. You believe in and teach a false gospel. The pure in heart will see God...and a willfull sinner will not see God !

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Verna Perry

There are two questions that must be answered about Paul in Romans chapter seven.

1. Was Paul speaking of sins of ignorance or willful sin?

It can't be of ignorance, since he knew it was sin, and not willful, since he says he did not want to commit them.

2 . Was Paul talking about his experience before his conversion or after?

After.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

We really have to look no further than that statement by Paul.

If that verse and the following verses refer to Paul sinning wilfully after his conversion then it would mean that from the time of his conversion, through the missionary journeys and up to and including writing this epistle to the Romans - Paul was the slave of sin.
It would mean that Jesus sent a slave of sin to be an apostle to His churches. (I am carnal - sold under sin)

No one is completely free of sin, only Jesus was, so it would have been impossible to send someone who was not a sinner.

There are two kinds of people, - sinners and liars, and Paul was being truthful when he admitted he was still "a wretched man", a sinner. But of course he also talked about the "keys to victory".

[Michael The Disciple]

Hi Verna,

I am surprised to see someone telling the truth here. It is refreshing to hear one stand against the pitiful doctrines of men that we can go on sinning and be saved in the end. Yeshua commanded "be perfect as the Father in Heaven is perfect". Matt 5:48 That has always been the one and only standard for a Christian.

Yeshua/Jesus rebuked the Church at Sardis (Rev.3:1-5) because their works were not perfect. With the mighty power of the Holy Spirit inside us we should have victory over sin.

I dont believe Christians are under Moses law but the commandments speaks of the sermon on the mount and whatever else the Apostles taught in their writings. Various places in scripture show if we do such things (reject his teaching) we will not be saved.

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Hi Verna,

I am surprised to see someone telling the truth here. It is refreshing to hear one stand against the pitiful doctrines of men that we can go on sinning and be saved in the end. Yeshua commanded "be perfect as the Father in Heaven is perfect". Matt 5:48 That has always been the one and only standard for a Christian.

Yeshus/Jesus rebuked the Church at Sardis (Rev.3:1-5) because their works were not perfect. With the mighty power of the Holy Spirit inside us we should have victory over sin.

I dont believe Christians are under Moses law but the commandments speaks of the sermon on the mount and whatever else the Apostles taught in their writings. Various places in scripture show if we do such things (reject his teaching) we will not be saved.

...ahhhhh...yes ! refreshing it is to have someone else who knows God's Truth ! and agrees with you...thank you so much and God Bless you !

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

It can't be of ignorance, since he knew it was sin, and not willful, since he says he did not want to commit them.

After.
No one is completely free of sin, only Jesus was, so it would have been impossible to send someone who was not a sinner.

There are two kinds of people, - sinners and liars, and Paul was being truthful when he admitted he was still "a wretched man", a sinner. But of course he also talked about the "keys to victory".

You are deceived Finn Jarber.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Verna Perry

You are deceived Finn Jarber.

Nah, it's you who is deceived. Or maybe you could clarify what exactly I am deceived about. Paul did say those things, including the part about the keys to victory.

Are you perfectly sinless? Yes, or no?

No, you are not. You are a sinner, and always will be, - just like the rest of us.

[Michael The Disciple]

Paul called God for a witness that he lived a blameless and holy life.

Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe : 1 Thess. 2:10

Paul and his team not only taught the real doctrine of holiness but were examples of it.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Paul called God for a witness that he lived a blameless and holy life.

Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe : 1 Thess. 2:10

Paul and his team not only taught the real doctrine of holiness but were examples of it.

Every believer is blameless before God, but in this passage he is talking about their duties and conversations in Thessalonia among the believers, which went exactly as planned. He is not trying to say he is and always will be sinless. Yes, Paul and the others did their best to avoid sin, but even they were not perfect. The Bible is very clear that only one person has been perfect, and that was Jesus. All the others were sinners. All believers today are sinners, - saved sinners that is.

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Paul called God for a witness that he lived a blameless and holy life.

Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe : 1 Thess. 2:10

Paul and his team not only taught the real doctrine of holiness but were examples of it.

Amen !