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[CENTER]"List of Mistranslated Verses in the Christian Greek Scriptures (New Testament) of Jehovah’s Witnesses[/CENTER]
The Greek word “Kurios” meaning “Lord” is mistranslated as “Jehovah” or “Jehovah’s.”
The Greek word “Kurion” meaning “Lord” is mistranslated as “Jehovah.”
Matthew 4:7; 4:10; 22:37
Luke 1:16; 1:46; 4:8; 4:12; 10:27; 30:37
Acts 2:25; 8:24; 15:17
Romans 15:11
1 Corinthians 10:9; 10:22
2 Corinthians 3:16
Colossians 3:23
Hebrews 8:11
James 3:9
The Greek word “Kurio” meaning “Lord” is mistranslated as “Jehovah.”
Matthew 5:33
Luke 1:17; 2:22; 2:23
Acts 13:2; 14:3; 14:23; 16:15
Romans 12:11; 14:4
1 Corinthians 2:16
2 Corinthians 10:17
Ephesians 2:21; 5:19; 6:7
Colossians 3:22
Hebrews 8:11
James 3:9
The Greek word “Theos” meaning “God” is mistranslated as “Jehovah.”
Hebrews 2:13
Revelation 4:8
The Greek word “Theou” meaning “of God” or “of God’s” is mistranslated as “Jehovah’s.”
Matthew 4:4
John 6:45
Acts 13:44; 13:48; 16:32; 18:21
James 2:23
2 Peter 3:12
The Greek word “Theon” meaning “God” is mistranslated as “Jehovah.”
Acts 16:14
The Greek word “Theo” meaning “God” is mistranslated as “Jehovah”.
Romans 4:3
Galatians 3:6
Colossians 3:16
James 2:23
The Greek word “en” meaning “in” is paraphrased as “in union with” to support the Watchtower teaching that Christians support the cause of Christ, but do not have Christ dwelling within them.
The English words “exercise,” “exercising,” “exercised,” “exercises” are added with no basis in the Greek text. This term is added to support the Watchtower doctrine of works being added to faith to complete the salvation process.
The Greek word “kolasis” is translated “cutting-off” instead of “punishment” to support the Watchtower’s belief in annihilation and the rejection of an eternal place of torment called “hell.”
The Greek words “kai theos en ho logos” are mistranslated as “the Word was a god,” instead of “the Word was God.” This is a distortion of the text as the word “a” is not in the Greek, but was added by the New World Translators to make the Word (Jesus) “a” second “god” who is separate from God the Father.
The Greek words “ego eimi” meaning “I am” are mistranslated as “I have been” to obscure the connection between Jesus being the "I Am" Jehovah God of Exodus 3:14.
The Greek word “ginoskosin” meaning “to know, intimately” is mistranslated as “taking in knowledge of” to support the Watchtower doctrine that accurate knowledge is necessary for eternal life. Changing this translation from “know You” (as all other Bible translations have it) to “taking in knowledge of You” shifts the focus from a personal relationship with God to a mere intellectual study of God to gain eternal life.
John 17:3
The English word “son” in “blood of his own [son]” is added in brackets without any support in the Greek text. This demonstrates the length that the Watchtower goes to deny that Jesus is the God who shed His own blood for us.
Acts 20:28
The Greek phrase, “he petra de en ho Kristos” meaning “and the rock was Christ” is mistranslated as “and that rock mass meant the Christ”. Again, this shifts the focus from Jesus being the Jehovah God, Rock of Israel (Isaiah 30:29).
1 Corinthians 10:4
In the 1984 edition of the New World Translation, the English word “other” is added in brackets to indicate that the word does not occur in the Greek text. The translators of the New World Translation added the word “other” in “gave him the name that is above every [other] name” to support the Watchtower teaching that the name “Jehovah” is superior to the name “Jesus.” Only in recent editions of the New World Translation do we see the word inserted with brackets surrounding it. All editions from 1950 to 1981 had “other” added without brackets making it seem as if this word is in the original Greek text. On page 27 of the February 1, 1992 Watchtower magazine, we again see Philippians 2:9 being quoted without the brackets being used around the word “other.” This again demonstrates the deep rooted bias of the Watchtower Society against Jesus possessing a name equal and superior to name “Jehovah.”
Philippians 2:9
Translation bias against the eternal nature of Jesus Christ as Creator God is clearly seen in the New World Translation’s insertion of the word “other” in reference to Jesus’ work in creation. By adding the word “other” to “all things” so that it reads “by means of him all [other] things were made to exist,” the Watchtower is able to justify its claim that Jehovah God created Jesus first and then used Jesus as His creative agent for the rest of creation. However, Scripture proclaims that Jesus is the Creator of “all things,” for He has always existed as the uncreated, “everlasting father” --possessor of eternity (Isaiah 9:6). While early editions of the New World Translation prior to the 1961 edition inserted the word “other” without brackets so that one could not tell the word is not in the original Greek, the 1961 edition and all others following it are more honest by enclosing the word in brackets. However, we again see translation bias against the Deity of Jesus Christ reoccurring in Watchtower literature on pages 20 and 21 of the February 1, 1992 issue of TheWatchtower where the Watchtower’s insertion of “other” in Colossians 1:16 is again quoted without the brackets.
Colossians 1:16, 17, 20
The Greek word “Theotetos” meaning “Godship, Deity, Godhead” is mistranslated as “divine quality” to detract from the full Deity of God being attributed to Christ in this passage.
Colossians 2:9
The Greek phrase “Theou kai soteros emon” meaning “God and Savior of us” or “our God and Savior” is mistranslated as “god and of [the] Savior of us”. This word “the,” being inserted in brackets with no basis in the Greek text is yet another attempt of NWT translators to separate Christ from being God.
Titus 2:13
The Greek words “pneumaton” and “pneumas” meaning “spirits” is mistranslated as “spiritual life” and “spiritual lives” to fit with the Watchtower doctrine that denies the existence of the human “spirit” that lives on past death.
Hebrews 12:9, 23
The Watchtower even changed the Greek text of their translation into the modern Greek language to disagree with the Greek in their Kingdom Interlinear Translation! Watch their deception exposed in this video:
Because by the orthodox Christian definition, JW are not Christian.
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Originally Posted by rebel12
They are not. All if Christianity is based on a sigma that Jesus is God, once you take it out you are no longer Christian.
I find the language of both of these assertions to be revealing. Both "orthodox Christian definition" and "that Jesus is God" fail to clearly state the criteria. They are saying of course, you have to accept the trinity doctrine to be considered Christian.
Where is that criteria stated in the Bible? Where does it say you have to believe in the trinity? Where does the Bible describe even one tenet of the trinity? The trinity is nowhere in the Bible.
We go back to the obfuscation of saying the Bible says Jesus is God, which is NOT a trinity statement, AND the Bible NEVER explicitly says this either. It can only inferred by FIRST having accepted the non-biblical belief in the trinty. It requires that circle logic to argue any Biblical support for that doctrine. This same bias can be seen when examining the translations of those scriptures considered proof texts.
So what we see is that trinitarians believe you can only be called Christian if you accept a trinitarian god that is NOT described or explained anywhere in the Bible. I repeat again for emphasis, their fundamental criteria for even being identified as a Christian is, do you believe in a triune God. Would it not stand to reason that if THIS is really the defining characteristic of being a Christian the Bible would have actually described and explained the trinity characteristics/ tenets, or at least used the word trinity?
I do not see how any rational person , having read the Bible and understanding the level of detail explaining the tenets of being a Christian, could possibly believe the foundational concept of believing in a triune god would have been omitted.
I find the language of both of these assertions to be revealing. Both "orthodox Christian definition" and "that Jesus is God" fail to clearly state the criteria. They are saying of course, you have to accept the trinity doctrine to be considered Christian.
Where is that criteria stated in the Bible? Where does it say you have to believe in the trinity? Where does the Bible describe even one tenet of the trinity? The trinity is nowhere in the Bible.
We go back to the obfuscation of saying the Bible says Jesus is God, which is NOT a trinity statement, AND the Bible NEVER explicitly says this either. It can only inferred by FIRST having accepted the non-biblical belief in the trinty. It requires that circle logic to argue any Biblical support for that doctrine. This same bias can be seen when examining the translations of those scriptures considered proof texts.
So what we see is that trinitarians believe you can only be called Christian if you accept a trinitarian god that is NOT described or explained anywhere in the Bible. I repeat again for emphasis, their fundamental criteria for even being identified as a Christian is, do you believe in a triune God. Would it not stand to reason that if THIS is really the defining characteristic of being a Christian the Bible would have actually described and explained the trinity characteristics/ tenets, or at least used the word trinity?
I do not see how any rational person , having read the Bible and understanding the level of detail explaining the tenets of being a Christian, could possibly believe the foundational concept of believing in a triune god would have been omitted.
Sorry, I couldn't rep you again just yet, but you've made some excellent points.
I find the language of both of these assertions to be revealing. Both "orthodox Christian definition" and "that Jesus is God" fail to clearly state the criteria. They are saying of course, you have to accept the trinity doctrine to be considered Christian.
Where is that criteria stated in the Bible? Where does it say you have to believe in the trinity? Where does the Bible describe even one tenet of the trinity? The trinity is nowhere in the Bible.
We go back to the obfuscation of saying the Bible says Jesus is God, which is NOT a trinity statement, AND the Bible NEVER explicitly says this either. It can only inferred by FIRST having accepted the non-biblical belief in the trinty. It requires that circle logic to argue any Biblical support for that doctrine. This same bias can be seen when examining the translations of those scriptures considered proof texts.
So what we see is that trinitarians believe you can only be called Christian if you accept a trinitarian god that is NOT described or explained anywhere in the Bible. I repeat again for emphasis, their fundamental criteria for even being identified as a Christian is, do you believe in a triune God. Would it not stand to reason that if THIS is really the defining characteristic of being a Christian the Bible would have actually described and explained the trinity characteristics/ tenets, or at least used the word trinity?
I do not see how any rational person , having read the Bible and understanding the level of detail explaining the tenets of being a Christian, could possibly believe the foundational concept of believing in a triune god would have been omitted.
Who cares? Christian family is all united in accepting Jesus as Savior and God. If you do not share those believes you are not a Christian. Muslims by the way have a cult of Jesus as well, just like JW's they believe he was a prophet.
Christianity is based on a concept that God himself gave his life for our sins.
JW do not share this belief. They are not a part of Christian family.
PS. If you fail to see where the Bible refers to Jesus as God than I can't help you.
Typed on a phone: please excuse my grammer and spellink...
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The Lord is great and those seeking him will find him!
Jesus Christ is the "I am" - the Alpha and the Omega.
Mikelee81,
I am not going to try to explain the fallacy of all of the copied and pasted propaganda you can find on the web. I am not a cat and your propogada is not a laser for me
Just because you can fill a page(s) with information that you are gullible enough to believe is authoritative, does not mean you have proved a point.
The only point you really proved is that you do not understand basic principles of translation and must rely on the web to even present an idea on the topic. You also validated my previous point that you do not care to learn because you are satisfied that the information on the web does not contradict your interpretation. Are you even concerned that the translation explanations you presented are different from one another? Does it matter to you that they demonstrate a disregard for basic academic principles of translation? Just as long as they reach the conclusion you wanted to hear, the validity of the presentation is immaterial?
If you have A scripture YOU want to discuss or explain I would gladly join in a dialog. However, I am not going to engage in the endless effort of addressing all the muck you can find on the web.
However, I would like to comment on one thing that you posted that I found VERY ironic.
Regarding the list of all of the “Lord†is mistranslated as “Jehovah.†stuff; I will not try to explain right now why those accusations you posted are wrong, but I think it is so appropriate that the Textus Receptus is one of the reference texts used to validate that emendation in the NWT.
Who cares? Christian family is all united in accepting Jesus as Savior and God. If you do not share those believes you are not a Christian.
LOL
Who cares? You mean it does not matter to you that the thing you feel is the most important characteristic, the defining characteristic for being a Christian, is a teaching that cannot be found in the Bible? It doesn't matter as long as you have many others beside you sharing that belief? Mat 7:13-14
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Originally Posted by rebel12
Christianity is based on a concept that God himself gave his life for our sins.
JW do not share this belief. They are not a part of Christian family.
Trinitarianism is the belief that God gave his life for our sins. Christianity is the belief that Jesus gave his life for our sins. I really want to see this scriptural reference that says we must believe God gave his life for our sins. Please show us where in the Bible does it say that we have to believe GOD (a triune god) gave his life for our sins? JWs do not share in this belief because it is not scriptural, and we are thus not part of the trinitarian family.
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Originally Posted by rebel12
PS. If you fail to see where the Bible refers to Jesus as God than I can't help you.
This is part of the trinitarian deception. There is this language that is used to obfiscate the truth. You SEE where the Bible refers to Jesus as God. SEE is a synonym for interpret. EVERYONE knows that the trinity is not taught in the Bible. However, it is enough for trinitarians to SEE an inference that Jesus is God (not even a trinity statement), and that is enough justificaton to accept a non-scriptual belief. However, unless you have already accepted that false doctrine, the trinity is no where in the Bible.
The key question is not can the trinity be SEEN in the Bible, but can it be READ. On this criteria the doctrine of the triune god cannot be found.
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Originally Posted by rebel12
Muslims by the way have a cult of Jesus as well, just like JW's they believe he was a prophet.
It never fails that there has to be some completely false statement included about what JWs believe.
Trinitarianism is the belief that God gave his life for our sins. Christianity is the belief that Jesus gave his life for our sins.
Right, same thing =)
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I really want to see this scriptural reference that says we must believe God gave his life for our sins. Please show us where in the Bible does it say that we have to believe GOD (a triune god) gave his life for our sins? JWs do not share in this belief because it is not scriptural, and we are thus not part of the trinitarian family.
This is the Council of Nicea debate all over again. I'll have Athanasius on my team, you get Arius.
I believe the argument goes something along the lines of "If Jesus wasn't fully God, what good did his death do for me?", only in much denser language.
Who cares? You mean it does not matter to you that the thing you feel is the most important characteristic, the defining characteristic for being a Christian, is a teaching that cannot be found in the Bible? It doesn't matter as long as you have many others beside you sharing that belief? Mat 7:13-14
Trinitarianism is the belief that God gave his life for our sins. Christianity is the belief that Jesus gave his life for our sins. I really want to see this scriptural reference that says we must believe God gave his life for our sins. Please show us where in the Bible does it say that we have to believe GOD (a triune god) gave his life for our sins? JWs do not share in this belief because it is not scriptural, and we are thus not part of the trinitarian family.
This is part of the trinitarian deception. There is this language that is used to obfiscate the truth. You SEE where the Bible refers to Jesus as God. SEE is a synonym for interpret. EVERYONE knows that the trinity is not taught in the Bible. However, it is enough for trinitarians to SEE an inference that Jesus is God (not even a trinity statement), and that is enough justificaton to accept a non-scriptual belief. However, unless you have already accepted that false doctrine, the trinity is no where in the Bible.
The key question is not can the trinity be SEEN in the Bible, but can it be READ. On this criteria the doctrine of the triune god cannot be found.
It never fails that there has to be some completely false statement included about what JWs believe.
JW's do not accept Jesus as God so they are not really Christian.
What difference does it make to you what Christians think about JW's?
I don't care what JW think about Roman Catholics and I don't care what you believe in. What difference does it make to me?
Typed on a phone: please excuse my grammer and spellink...
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Oh the irony!
Sorry, I couldn't rep you again just yet, but you've made some excellent points.
Put away your laser, this cat won't play
Who cares?
