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Old 07-23-2012, 03:35 PM
 
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Maybe gaining members isn't their primary goal.
What is their primary goal, in your opinion?
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:02 PM
 
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What is their primary goal, in your opinion?
To do what they believe is the right thing; to open their hearts and treat others as they believe Jesus wants them to treat others.
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:15 PM
 
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To do what they believe is the right thing; to open their hearts and treat others as they believe Jesus wants them to treat others.
I really like the bolded.

You know, I believe we can find how Jesus reacted to those caught in sexual sin. The prostitute, the woman at the well. When I read those passages, I see "love the sinner, hate the sin".

Thoughts?
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:26 PM
 
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Default Why is the Episcopal Church near collapse?

Why is the Episcopal Church near collapse? - Beliefnet.com


When you ordaine women priests who call Jesus their sister and God their mother then you are in trouble. Many of their priests are coming into the Catholic church now.
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:32 PM
 
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I really like the bolded.

You know, I believe we can find how Jesus reacted to those caught in sexual sin. The prostitute, the woman at the well. When I read those passages, I see "love the sinner, hate the sin".

Thoughts?
Reading gospel passages makes you see Mahatma Gandhi quotes? Interesting. ; )

I see no hate in Jesus at all.
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:38 PM
 
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Reading gospel passages makes you see Mahatma Gandhi quotes? Interesting. ; )

I see no hate in Jesus at all.
Well, I disagree. I believe God hates sin. That's why Jesus had to die.

What do you believe Jesus' attitude is/was towards sin?
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:28 PM
 
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Well, I disagree. I believe God hates sin. That's why Jesus had to die.

What do you believe Jesus' attitude is/was towards sin?
Funny question! I think he was against it...
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:44 PM
 
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No Christian who is actively serving God does such things. Only sinners and backsliders would commit such sin.
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Old 07-23-2012, 06:06 PM
 
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When you ordain women priests who call Jesus their sister and God their mother then you are in trouble.
Interesting article.

Most women priests I know do not call Jesus their sister, lol. Unfortunately, this one (Jefferts) is reveling in her high position to show the world exactly what happens when an organization starts concerning itself with self-pride and centers its mission on trying to hold on to real estate, and frankly, she sounds like she's not all there.

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Many of their priests are coming into the Catholic church now.
That's funny, because my priest is a former Catholic priest. The priest in my old church was also a former Catholic, though not as a priest. A lot of former Catholic laity are drawn toward the Episcopal church after rejection because they still love the Eucharist and the traditional form of worship.

If the Episcopal Church hierarchy as it has become collapses, I certainly won't cry. Christianity is not supposed to be about acquisition and property and building up one's own platform. "The love of money..." well, you know the rest.

IMO, the gay thing is what everyone focuses on because it appeals to the ick factor in many heterosexuals, but it's not really the biggest problem the Episcopal Church has.
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Old 07-23-2012, 06:31 PM
 
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No Christian who is actively serving God does such things. Only sinners and backsliders would commit such sin.
Are you talking about being homosexual, or performing same-sex marriages/blessings? Because I don't recall anything biblical saying the latter is a sin.

I still think that a church should really ask themselves just what they're trying to accomplish. To the extent that it's God's job to save people and enlighten them (not yours), wouldn't it be a good idea to keep them as members of the church and let him work? Do you think they're likely to remain in church if they can't find one that approves of their marriage? Do you think they're as likely to remain believers if they can't find a church they feel comfortable in?

Is it your opinion that homosexuality is a choice which can be encouraged/discouraged into existence in every case? And what do you think "saves" a person, their behaviors (including refraining from homosexual acts) or their beliefs and the professing of them? All of this should come into play, I think.
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