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Old 08-03-2012, 07:52 AM
 
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Most existing Christians either will be raptured or executed (see fifth seal) prior to the Mark of the Beast.

The Mark is the number of a Man. Those take on the mark by worshiping the image of the Beast/Man.

If you are worshiping Jesus Christ than you are OKAY. In fact you are better than okay. If you are worshiping the image of the Beast/man than you are not Okay.

It's not about a day of the week, but about an identity with a Man. The Seal of God comes through taking on an identity through Jesus Christ. The Mark of the Beast comes through taking on an identity through the "image of the Beast".

There's all kinds of talk in the new age of their upcoming paradigm shift "enlightenment". This is where mankind as ONE must "evolve" to the 7th epoch with "Mother Earth" (Mother of Harlots) to assure the survival of the human race.

All "Religious" differences must be put aside as all must be on the same "frequency". Those that choose not to will be deemed against mankind and must be "re-educated".

According to new ager David Spangler, all must undergo a Luciferian initiation to enter the "new age". << That sounds like the Mark to me. It sounds secular until one realizes that the United Nations is embracing this philosophy.

The Southern Day Adventists and other groups are coming out as proclaiming that Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast. I think this is for one reason, to proclaim prophecy as fulfilled when the pseudoChrist comes in to proclaim himself as the Christ.

That's my take on it. Depend on the Holy Spirit.
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:20 AM
 
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There are many interpretations of the passage of scripture in Revelation concerning the Mark of the Beast. Some believe that these verses refer to a brand, a tattoo, credit cards or a microchip implant. Most seem believe that this mark will be some physical means by which to identify those who have accepted this mark.

The late Herbert W. Armstrong who wrote a booklet concerning this subject took a different approach to identifying this mark than most. Here is a quote from his booklet, "Mark of the Beast", 1952:

"There are many more references to this subject in the Bible. Instead of looking at one passage only, then turning away from God’s own revelation of this mystery, and using human imagination and fancy to conjure up the many ridiculous conclusions being foisted upon a deceived public by persons devoid of understanding, let us see what GOD says this MARK really is!"

So, in his booklet he methodically goes through and identifies all the aspects of the passage and looks in parallel scriptures in the Bible trying to identify related things and answer related questions such as who is this beast, who is this second beast mentioned in the same chapter in Revelation, what is a mark, what is the sign of God, what commandments of God are concerned with buying or selling, what about the forehead and the hand, what about the enforcement of this mark, has this mark existed before now and was it enforced. He goes through the scriptures putting all of this together to zero in on just exactly what is the Mark of the Beast.

He concludes: "SUNDAY observance—Christmas, New Year’s, Easter,etc.—this is the MARK of the BEAST!"

So, it appears that keeping Sunday and the annual holidays so-called Christians keep such as Christmas, Easter, etc are something that this Beast (Mr. Armstrong identifies the Beast as the Roman Empire) enforced in the past on its subjects. He points out that this mark will also be enforced again at a time in the future which applies to the time involving this passage in Revelation.

Today, we here in America actually have the Mark of the Beast on many of us and we do not even realize it. It is not enforced except for some of the Sunday "Blue Laws" that prohibit buying or selling on Sunday, many of which have been done away with.

So, many of us today are disobeying God by not keeping His Holy 7th Day Sabbath and His annual Holy Days and listed in Bible and are instead keeping Sunday, Christmas, New Year's, Easter, etc.

Do you realize that this rising super power in Europe which will be the final 7th resurrection of Roman Empire is the actual Beast referred to in the scriptures that will enforce this mark!

WAKE UP, AMERICA!! Come out of these false so-called Christian churches and reject this Mark of the Beast and put away all these false so-called Christian days of observance and keep God's 7th Day Sabbath and all the Holy Days and other special days that God has commanded to kept forever! This nation is soon to be destroyed by this rising Beast super power in Europe that will once again enforce the Mark of the Beast so that no man may buy or sell except he has this mark! Reject this Mark of the Beast and turn to God and keep His Days and not the Beast's days!

Again, I say, WAKE UP!! Turn to God before it is TOO LATE!!
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The whole problem with this argument is that the bible says the mark of the beast will be taken by MANY not SOME. Christianity makes up about 2 billion out of the 7 billion people on the planet, so its very obvious we are in the minority and many people from other religions would have to join this type of system in order for what your saying to be true. Islam, Hindu, Athesist etc will never join with anyone that have to do with Christ.


Revalation 13
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.




And it seems like every post you put, its like your obsessed with the sabbath and feast days as the absolute means to salvation. Show where in the new covenant, not the mosaic covenant that Sabbath observance seals you with God. It clearly says now that the Holy Spirit seals us, not the Sabbath.



Ephesians 1:13-14

King James Version (KJV)

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22

King James Version (KJV)

21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.



Ephesians 4


29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:26 AM
 
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There are many interpretations of the passage of scripture in Revelation concerning the Mark of the Beast. Some believe that these verses refer to a brand, a tattoo, credit cards or a microchip implant. Most seem believe that this mark will be some physical means by which to identify those who have accepted this mark.

The late Herbert W. Armstrong who wrote a booklet concerning this subject took a different approach to identifying this mark than most. Here is a quote from his booklet, "Mark of the Beast", 1952:

"There are many more references to this subject in the Bible. Instead of looking at one passage only, then turning away from God’s own revelation of this mystery, and using human imagination and fancy to conjure up the many ridiculous conclusions being foisted upon a deceived public by persons devoid of understanding, let us see what GOD says this MARK really is!"

So, in his booklet he methodically goes through and identifies all the aspects of the passage and looks in parallel scriptures in the Bible trying to identify related things and answer related questions such as who is this beast, who is this second beast mentioned in the same chapter in Revelation, what is a mark, what is the sign of God, what commandments of God are concerned with buying or selling, what about the forehead and the hand, what about the enforcement of this mark, has this mark existed before now and was it enforced. He goes through the scriptures putting all of this together to zero in on just exactly what is the Mark of the Beast.

He concludes: "SUNDAY observance—Christmas, New Year’s, Easter,etc.—this is the MARK of the BEAST!"

So, it appears that keeping Sunday and the annual holidays so-called Christians keep such as Christmas, Easter, etc are something that this Beast (Mr. Armstrong identifies the Beast as the Roman Empire) enforced in the past on its subjects. He points out that this mark will also be enforced again at a time in the future which applies to the time involving this passage in Revelation.

Today, we here in America actually have the Mark of the Beast on many of us and we do not even realize it. It is not enforced except for some of the Sunday "Blue Laws" that prohibit buying or selling on Sunday, many of which have been done away with.

So, many of us today are disobeying God by not keeping His Holy 7th Day Sabbath and His annual Holy Days and listed in Bible and are instead keeping Sunday, Christmas, New Year's, Easter, etc.

Do you realize that this rising super power in Europe which will be the final 7th resurrection of Roman Empire is the actual Beast referred to in the scriptures that will enforce this mark!

WAKE UP, AMERICA!! Come out of these false so-called Christian churches and reject this Mark of the Beast and put away all these false so-called Christian days of observance and keep God's 7th Day Sabbath and all the Holy Days and other special days that God has commanded to kept forever! This nation is soon to be destroyed by this rising Beast super power in Europe that will once again enforce the Mark of the Beast so that no man may buy or sell except he has this mark! Reject this Mark of the Beast and turn to God and keep His Days and not the Beast's days!

Again, I say, WAKE UP!! Turn to God before it is TOO LATE!!
Hmmmm.....so by your theory, the Mark is getting weaker as more and more businesses are open on Sunday, holidays, etc? In 10-20 years it may no longer even be around! It's defeated!
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:32 AM
 
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The whole problem with this argument is that the bible says the mark of the beast will be taken by MANY not SOME. Christianity makes up about 2 billion out of the 7 billion people on the planet, so its very obvious we are in the minority and many people from other religions would have to join this type of system in order for what your saying to be true. Islam, Hindu, Athesist etc will never join with anyone that have to do with Christ.


Revalation 13
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.




And it seems like every post you put, its like your obsessed with the sabbath and feast days as the absolute means to salvation. Show where in the new covenant, not the mosaic covenant that Sabbath observance seals you with God. It clearly says now that the Holy Spirit seals us, not the Sabbath.



Ephesians 1:13-14

King James Version (KJV)

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22

King James Version (KJV)

21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.



Ephesians 4


29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
No. The Sabbath is the 4th Commandment.

If you are to receive God's Holy Spirit you must keep God's Commandments to obey God and only those who obey God will receive God's Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32).

When you receive God's Holy Spirit you receive the "faith OF Christ" and this is the actual faith that saves you. This is not your faith it is the very same faith that Christ had to perform all the miracles. This is much more powerful than just your "faith IN Christ".

If you are witnessing divine healing in your members of your body of Christ, then this a witness that the ministers and members have the necessary "faith OF Christ" to be divinely healed. It was evident in the organization that Mr. Armstrong was associated with. And you scan the internet for comments made by members who submitted letters that were printed in a magazine just for members at that time (it later was sent out by request if someone wanted receive it). Many false churches have no evidence of divine healing and you can compare one organization with Mr. Armstrong's organization and you can verify my words (that is before Satan rips this evidence out there off the internet which he probably will).

So, if you are not keeping God's 7th Sabbath you are not obeying God and you will not receive God's Holy Spirit.

That is how important the 7th Day Sabbath really is to a true Christian truly called by God.

I am not obsessed with this because to me it is simply THE TRUTH.
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Old 08-04-2012, 02:41 AM
 
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Are you seriously suggesting that Satan is trying to destroy us by driving us to church on Sundays?
All 7th Day Adventists are seriously suggesting that.

But I do give them credit for rejecting the ET doctrine.

That Chick-Fil-A dude thinks he is honoring God by staying closed on Sundays. But the 7th Day Adventist believes it is all in vain.

People make God sound like a petty tyrant.
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Old 08-04-2012, 04:55 AM
 
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Are you seriously suggesting that Satan is trying to destroy us by driving us to church on Sundays?
Yes that is why believers are leaving them in their droves

The "Out of Church" Christians - BOOK by Andrew Strom.
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Old 08-04-2012, 07:17 AM
 
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Yes that is why believers are leaving them in their droves

The "Out of Church" Christians - BOOK by Andrew Strom.
The question is about Saturday vs Sunday. You seem to suggest that the church is satanic no matter when you go. Resentment against the body of Christ seems to go hand in hand with the UR teaching.
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Old 08-04-2012, 07:46 AM
 
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The question is about Saturday vs Sunday. You seem to suggest that the church is satanic no matter when you go. Resentment against the body of Christ seems to go hand in hand with the UR teaching.
I do not speak for UR,Finlay. It is my own personal belief. No resentment towards the harlot church, just simply no time for it, whether it congregates on Saturday or Sunday.
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Old 08-04-2012, 07:53 AM
 
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I do not speak for UR,Finlay. It is my own personal belief. No resentment towards the harlot church, just simply no time for it, whether it congregates on Saturday or Sunday.
I didn't say you speak for them. Urs share the same attitude towards the body of Christ, or the "harlot church" as you call it.
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:57 AM
 
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Sorry, but The MOTB is not something that will be 'snuck' without your knowing. Accepting or rejecting the MOTB will be a choice of your own free will
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