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Old 09-08-2017, 01:43 PM
 
Location: New England
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And you'd rather believe some guy that lives in 2017 over the apostles that walked and talked with Jesus?
I don't care what year the person lives in as long as what i'm hearing from them passes the test of Jesus Christ and how he represented God to a T.
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Old 09-08-2017, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I understand your reasoning as you see the Scriptures as being the word of GOD.
Whereas, I see them as the ideologies of men and their particular perceptions.

In other words, I was not taught that they are Infallible or Inerrant.
Neither do I see them as such, given the nature of men.
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And you'd rather believe some guy that lives in 2017 over the apostles that walked and talked with Jesus?
It's not a history lesson, so to whom are you referring?
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Old 09-08-2017, 01:59 PM
 
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It's not a history lesson, so to whom are you referring?
I'm just wondering why you'd believe the opinions of someone today over someone that actually walked and talked with Jesus?
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Old 09-08-2017, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I understand your reasoning as you see the Scriptures as being the word of GOD.
Whereas, I see them as the ideologies of men and their particular perceptions.

In other words, I was not taught that they are Infallible or Inerrant.
Neither do I see them as such, given the nature of men.
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And you'd rather believe some guy that lives in 2017 over the apostles that walked and talked with Jesus?
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It's not a history lesson, so to whom are you referring?
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I'm just wondering why you'd believe the opinions of someone today over someone that actually walked and talked with Jesus?
You assume everything is fact without exception, it's what you have been taught to believe.
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Old 09-08-2017, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I'm just wondering why you'd believe the opinions of someone today over someone that actually walked and talked with Jesus?
Perhaps if someone who actually walked and talked with Jesus wrote something, it might be of interest.

Or if Jesus had scratched a note or two on a chunk of papyrus.

Alas, you only have the words of long-dead anonymous dudes who wrote decades after Jesus got all better and flew away.
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Old 09-08-2017, 02:44 PM
 
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Yet, the Bible actually SAYS he was the propitiation for our sins. That he took the punishment.

Yes it does. Like I said, you'd have to be literally blind not to see it in black and white. Peace
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Old 09-08-2017, 02:55 PM
 
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Perhaps if someone who actually walked and talked with Jesus wrote something, it might be of interest.

Or if Jesus had scratched a note or two on a chunk of papyrus.

Alas, you only have the words of long-dead anonymous dudes who wrote decades after Jesus got all better and flew away.
Slander.
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Old 09-08-2017, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Yes it does. Like I said, you'd have to be literally blind not to see it in black and white. Peace
You would have to be ignorant to cause harm/injury to another for your own thoughts, deeds and actions.
Try taking some responsibility, instead of murdering the innocent while claiming you are made righteous.
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Old 09-08-2017, 03:23 PM
 
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You would have to be ignorant to cause harm/injury to another for your own thoughts, deeds and actions.
Try taking some responsibility, instead of murdering the innocent while claiming you are made righteous.

Turn that mirror on yourself. I'm not the one promoting a false gospel and twisting the living oracles of G-d to my own destruction, and taking everyone gullible enough to believe it, with me. Judas = false praise, bestowed with false love (kiss of death), as opposed to; "Let Him kiss me with the kisses of His MOUTH" (intimacy with His Spirit which gives LIFE, as a husband knows his wife and she CONCEIVES Seed/life from the Spirit). Peace
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Old 09-08-2017, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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You would have to be ignorant to cause harm/injury to another for your own thoughts, deeds and actions.
Try taking some responsibility, instead of murdering the innocent while claiming you are made righteous.
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Turn that mirror on yourself. I'm not the one promoting a false gospel and twisting the living oracles of G-d to my own destruction, and taking everyone gullible enough to believe it, with me. Judas = false praise, bestowed with false love (kiss of death), as opposed to; "Let Him kiss me with the kisses of His MOUTH" (intimacy with His Spirit which gives LIFE, as a husband knows his wife and she CONCEIVES Seed/life from the Spirit). Peace
The mirror of Judas is always about you, not knowing the love which is bestowed upon others.
It's YOU that condemns them with the "kiss" of death, not knowing their relationship.
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