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Old 08-10-2012, 09:31 AM
 
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It is always interesting when someone attempts to use Jesus quotes from scripture as being factual to attempt to prove something or uses the claims of some preacher.

The fact is that such "Jesus said.." evidence is, as in this case, something written fifty years after his death by someone who never knew Jesus and, in the case of Luke, wasn't even from the same area.

From the Introduction to Luke, New American Bible:

"Luke’s consistent substitution of Greek names for the Aramaic or Hebrew names occurring in his sources (e.g., Lk 23:33; Mk 15:22; Lk 18:41; Mk 10:51), his omission from the gospel of specifically Jewish Christian concerns found in his sources (e.g., Mk 7:123), his interest in Gentile Christians (Lk 2:3032; 3:6, 38; 4:1630; 13:2830; 14:1524; 17:1119; 24:4748), and his incomplete knowledge of Palestinian geography, customs, and practices are among the characteristics of this gospel that suggest that Luke was a non-Palestinian writing to a non-Palestinian audience that was largely made up of Gentile Christians."


Yet some continue to "prove scripture" by quoting yet another scripture claiming to report what Jesus supposedly said.
So some wonderful scholarly speculation. These "scholars" are often proven wrong in their interpretation. You can prove mathematically that Jesus is the Messiah prophesied in the Old Testament.


48 Prophecies - Chuck Missler - YouTube

This is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but the skeptics will continue to work in attempts to discredit the Word because they do not want to recognize an authority over themselves which would come to the revelation of accountability to a Creator.

The Scriptures say that man love darkness rather than Light, and they want to Justify themselves in their behavior. I believe it.
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Old 08-10-2012, 10:49 AM
 
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"It is difficult to account for so many doublets -- most containing slight discrepancies -- if all five books were written over a short interval of time by Moses or by any other single individual.
Fallacy 1 applied:
It is difficult such that it is impossible

Something difficult won't make it impossible, especially when it is said that what considered impossible by man can well be possible by God.

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Liberal theologians reasoned that a much more logical explanation is that..
Fallacy 2 applied:
A "much more logical explanation" must be the truth.

In the contrary what seems to be "more logical" never guarantees truth.


Finally, you need faith (you don't seem to realize this, do you?) to believe that the so-called "libral theologians" are actually "more logical" (I failed to see how "more logical" they are by the only "it is difficult" statement (which is a fallacy as being pointed out).

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Old 08-10-2012, 11:04 AM
 
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Moses dies at the end, so somebody else had to fill in that part, right?
This made me chuckle.

I am also interested in the answer to this question.
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Old 08-10-2012, 11:31 AM
 
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Hmm, God told Moses he was going to die and not go into the promised land. Moses wrote that down, died, did not go into the promised land but . . . according to modern scholarship Moses didn't write the Pentateuch.

Something is wrong with these so-called "scholars."

"According to Jewish tradition, all of the laws found in the Torah, both written and oral, were given by God to Moses,
some of them at Mount Sinai and others at the Tabernacle, and all the teachings were written down by Moses, which
resulted in the Torah we have today." Torah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-10-2012, 11:32 AM
 
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Most likely Joshua, who succeeded Moses, wrote after Moses' death.
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Old 08-10-2012, 11:34 AM
 
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Fallacy 1 applied:
It is difficult such that it is impossible

Something difficult won't make it impossible, especially when it is said that what considered impossible by man can well be possible by God.



Fallacy 2 applied:
A "much more logical explanation" must be the truth.

In the contrary what seems to be "more logical" never guarantees truth.


Finally, you need faith (you don't seem to realize this, do you?) to believe that the so-called "libral theologians" are actually "more logical" (I failed to see how "more logical" they are by the only "it is difficult" statement (which is a fallacy as being pointed out).
Excellent Post Hawkins
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Old 08-10-2012, 11:43 AM
 
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Moses dies at the end, so somebody else had to fill in that part, right?
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This made me chuckle.
I am also interested in the answer to this question.
Obviously there are editorial comments added to the Pentateuch after Moses's death (and not just chapter 34), but this does not take away from the fact that he wrote the bulk of it (as in, > 99%), nor subtract from the verbal inspiration. I think people make too much out of things like chapter 34 (and see also Deut. 2:10-12). It certainly does not prove the J,E,D,P hypothesis.

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Old 08-10-2012, 11:46 AM
 
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These "scholars" always give me a chuckle. They write to poopoo Moses authering the Pentateuch:

"Exodus 33:7 describes Moses entering the Tabernacle. Yet, the Tabernacle had not yet been built; its subsequent construction is described in Exodus 35."

Let's look at Exodus 33:7 . . .

Exo 33:7 As for Moses, he took the tent and stretched it out outside the camp, far from the camp; and
he called it the tent of appointment; and it came to be that everyone seeking Yahweh went forth to
the tent of appointment which was outside the camp.

Exo 33:8 Also it came to be as Moses went forth to the tent, all the people rose and stationed
themselves, each man, at the portal of his tent and looked after Moses until he entered the tent.

In Exodus 26 God instructs Moses on the making of the tent of appointment.

Most likely Moses used a temporary tent until the actual tent God instructed him to build was built. Just as there was a temporary meeting place for God until the tabernacle of Solomon was built.
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Old 08-11-2012, 05:44 AM
 
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Hmm, God told Moses he was going to die and not go into the promised land. Moses wrote that down, died, did not go into the promised land but . . . according to modern scholarship Moses didn't write the Pentateuch.

Something is wrong with these so-called "scholars."

"According to Jewish tradition, all of the laws found in the Torah, both written and oral, were given by God to Moses,
some of them at Mount Sinai and others at the Tabernacle, and all the teachings were written down by Moses, which
resulted in the Torah we have today." Torah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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>>According to Jewish tradition<<??????????????
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Old 08-11-2012, 05:46 AM
 
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These "scholars" always give me a chuckle. They write to poopoo Moses authering the Pentateuch:

"Exodus 33:7 describes Moses entering the Tabernacle. Yet, the Tabernacle had not yet been built; its subsequent construction is described in Exodus 35."

Let's look at Exodus 33:7 . . .

Exo 33:7 As for Moses, he took the tent and stretched it out outside the camp, far from the camp; and
he called it the tent of appointment; and it came to be that everyone seeking Yahweh went forth to
the tent of appointment which was outside the camp.

Exo 33:8 Also it came to be as Moses went forth to the tent, all the people rose and stationed
themselves, each man, at the portal of his tent and looked after Moses until he entered the tent.

In Exodus 26 God instructs Moses on the making of the tent of appointment.

Most likely Moses used a temporary tent until the actual tent God instructed him to build was built. Just as there was a temporary meeting place for God until the tabernacle of Solomon was built.
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Once again, there is no evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.

Unless there is, these are only legends or stories. But tell us any yarn you like.
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