Evidence that Moses didn't write the Pentateuch (evolve, translation, blood)
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Please present actually evidence (other than the mere biblical story) that the ancient Hebrews were ever in Egypt.
It is prudent not to accept mere legends presented as historical.
If you can't present actual evidence, yes, please stop wasting readers time .
What about the chariot wheels encrusted with coral formation at the bottom of the crossing of the Red Sea?
How about the two pillars with the memorial of that Red Sea crossing carved on it, one placed on either side of this crossing, of King Solomon commemorating the actual site?
How about how that burnt mountaintop on the other side where Moses did actually receive the Ten Commandments, and yet no other surrounding mountain is like that?
Or how about the archeoligical evidence and sin of the Israelite encampment at the base of that mountain?
Not interested in Ron Wyatt's discovery because he is a reportedly a fraud? And yet here is the thing. Ron Wyatt is not capable of frabricating all of that so called evidence. And in spite of years and years after being interviewed on CBS twice of being an amateur "archeologist" in discovering the site of "Noah's ark" and other sites, the real professional have not gone there to debunk those sites. No. They waited and waited until Ron said something that went against SDA's faith and teaching and suddenly, his support of SDA and those colleagues with him turned on him, and the world laughs because now they do not have to go to the site to examine the evidence to debunk them officially?
There is even an archelogical discovery that validated the plagues that befell Egypt in an attempt to prove how logical in what has transpired in the release of the Hebrew, but it could only work in their favour if Moses prophesied those future events in order for the Pharoah to let them go.
So in spite of this official revelation, still nobody wants to go to these discovery sites since "point A" has been established?
Talk about wasting your time when the world and you are not bothering to look at all? People that do not want to believe, will only look for things that seem contrary to them while ignoring the empty tomb.
Moses could not have written about events before the flood unless God led him by the Holy Spirit to write about it. That ought to go just as well about writing about future events that Moses would not also know about. Warning the Pharoah of the coming plagues is proof that Moses can know the future.
The empty tomb, Jesus validating Moses' writing, and there are evedince of God's interventions in history, even the vast amount of evidence the world wide flood, including flood legends that can be found all over the world. How you look at the evidence is the same way you look at life: half glass empty or half glass full. Either you are looking to God for the answers to believe or you are looking to not believe.
>>What about the chariot wheels encrusted with coral formation at the bottom of the crossing of the Red Sea?<<
RESPONSE:
What evidence is there that these wheels (if really wheels) are from a Egyptian chariot pursuing Moses. By the way, was there only one?
>>How about the two pillars with the memorial of that Red Sea crossing carved on it, one placed on either side of this crossing, of King Solomon commemorating the actual site?<<
How many years after the Red Sea crossing did King Solomon live? Was he a witness to an event in the 1400-1500 BC timeframe. Or had he just heard the story hundreds of years later? By the way, please present evidence of your claim.
>>How about how that burnt mountaintop on the other side where Moses did actually receive the Ten Commandments, and yet no other surrounding mountain is like that?<<
Evidence please!
>>Or how about the archeoligical evidence and sin of the Israelite encampment at the base of that mountain?<<
What archeological evidence exactly are you referring to? There is no archological evidence of the 2 million Hebrews' desert journey. If you have such evidence, please present it.
>>Not interested in Ron Wyatt's discovery because he is a reportedly a fraud? And yet here is the thing. Ron Wyatt is not capable of frabricating all of that so called evidence. And in spite of years and years after being interviewed on CBS twice of being an amateur "archeologist" in discovering the site of "Noah's ark" and other sites, the real professional have not gone there to debunk those sites. No. They waited and waited until Ron said something that went against SDA's faith and teaching and suddenly, his support of SDA and those colleagues with him turned on him, and the world laughs because now they do not have to go to the site to examine the evidence to debunk them officially?<<
I give up. Who is Ron Wyatt? What evidence has he presented?
>>There is even an archelogical discovery that validated the plagues that befell Egypt in an attempt to prove how logical in what has transpired in the release of the Hebrew, but it could only work in their favour if Moses prophesied those future events in order for the Pharoah to let them go.<<
All the early nations had plagues of one type or another. It's always safe to prophesize a plague. But I'd like to see the proof of your claim.
>>So in spite of this official revelation, still nobody wants to go to these discovery sites since "point A" has been established?<<
I give up. What is "point A" that has been established?
>>Talk about wasting your time when the world and you are not bothering to look at all? People that do not want to believe, will only look for things that seem contrary to them while ignoring the empty tomb<<
Only validated evidence counts for me. Not assertions without evidence. (Incidentally, a tomb is empty if there was never a body in it or the body has been removed).
>>Moses could not have written about events before the flood unless God led him by the Holy Spirit to write about it. That ought to go just as well about writing about future events that Moses would not also know about. Warning the Pharoah of the coming plagues is proof that Moses can know the future.<<
The first five books of the Bible were written aboout 900 BC long after the time Moses was suppose to have lived. Since specific reference is made to certain Edomite kings and to the fact that Israel had a king, we can date these writings to some time after 1000 BC.
>>The empty tomb, Jesus validating Moses' writing, and there are evedince of God's interventions in history, even the vast amount of evidence the world wide flood, including flood legends that can be found all over the world. How you look at the evidence is the same way you look at life: half glass empty or half glass full. Either you are looking to God for the answers to believe or you are looking to not believe><<
How does an empty tomb somewhere validate Moses' writings exactly? Incidently, there are many flood legends but no evidence of a worldwide flood. The writers of the Bible copied the old Sumanian legend o Gilgemesh (which you can find on the web). Gilgamesh flood myth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>> Either you are looking to God for the answers to believe or you are looking to not believe><<
Or one is following the writings of St. Paul and "Testing everything" and then "Putting aside the things of a child."[]
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And these armies that are destroyed are after the millenium...After satan is loosed and gathers an army from the four corners of the earth...
The Battle of Armageddon is in reference to the Lord Jesus Christ's war against the Son of Perdition/false prophet not Satan..
Daniel 8:23-26
King James Version (KJV)
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Daniel 11
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Genesis 3
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
It is truly amazing that a Man is going to attempt to wage a war against God in the Person of Jesus Christ. Wow! Talk about arrogance.
>>Watch the video again and see all the wheels in the Sea Moses and the Israelites went through.<<
RESPONSE:
Anybody can make a video to convince people of some claim. I generally don't use video's as historical evidence. But let's see what Wikipedia says about the wheel's discoverer. Incidentallly, where are these chariot wheels now? Don't tell me they disappeared!
Wikipedia:
"While Wyatt won a devoted following from the ranks of fundamentalist Christians seeking tangible evidence of the literal truth of the Bible, his credibility was disputed, often bitterly, by professional archaeologists and biblical scholars."
"His claims were dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars, and even by leaders in his own Seventh-day Adventist Church, but his work continues to have a following among some fundamentalists and evangelicals."
Accorfding to Wikipedia, Wyatt discoveries include but aren't limited to:
1. Chariot wheels and other relics of the army of Pharaoh at the bottom of the Red Sea.
2. Noah's Ark and the tombs of Noah and his wife.
3. The Tower of Babel site.
4. Christ's blood, dripped onto the Mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant beneath the Crucifixion site
Anybody can make a video to convince people of some claim. I generally don't use video's as historical evidence. But let's see what Wikipedia says about the wheel's discoverer. Incidentallly, where are these chariot wheels now? Don't tell me they disappeared!
Wikipedia:
"While Wyatt won a devoted following from the ranks of fundamentalist Christians seeking tangible evidence of the literal truth of the Bible, his credibility was disputed, often bitterly, by professional archaeologists and biblical scholars."
"His claims were dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars, and even by leaders in his own Seventh-day Adventist Church, but his work continues to have a following among some fundamentalists and evangelicals."
Accorfding to Wikipedia, Wyatt discoveries include but aren't limited to:
1. Chariot wheels and other relics of the army of Pharaoh at the bottom of the Red Sea.
2. Noah's Ark and the tombs of Noah and his wife.
3. The Tower of Babel site.
4. Christ's blood, dripped onto the Mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant beneath the Crucifixion site
5. The site of the biblical Mt Sinai.
So he must have been very busy, don't you think?
Sorry but you can't win an argument by attacking the human. Why don't you focus on Leneord Moller, the scientist with the Karolinska institute in Stockholm, Sweden? Because he weakens your argument, that's why.
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