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Old 08-21-2012, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Oregon
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Don't bother Mikelee, he's just trolling you.

And clearly has no understanding of what's going on in 1 Corinthians 9, which is really part of a multi-chapter beautiful explanation on the freedom of the Christian, and then the giving up of rights for the sake of others. But AW sees only deception, which is both sad and a shallow reading.
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Yes. I worked for quite number of years in medical research where we learned to carefully evaluate data.

"Test everything, hold fast to that which is true." And "Now I am a man and have put away the things of a child." " You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free."
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Old 08-21-2012, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Texas and Arkansas
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Clement of Rome referred to 2 Peter 3:4 as “the scripture” in his letter to the Corinthians (23:3). As an Elder in the church at Rome, Clement most certainly knew of the book before his writing in 70 AD.

The book of Jude (written before 70 AD) confirms Peter's prophecy in 2 Peter 2:1.
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Old 08-21-2012, 12:31 PM
 
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Yes. I worked for quite number of years in medical research where we learned to carefully evaluate data.
Is that the reason the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States?
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Old 08-21-2012, 12:46 PM
 
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Act 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.


What if we searched the OT daily to see if current positions are valid?

Jesus said, "It is written." Paul quoted the OT often and authoritatively. He did not seem to be offended that the Bereans tested the spirits with the OT.

Discussion, pro or con, appreciated.

Shalom,
Tom
Most people assume that "scriptures" in the NT only means OT ones, this is not the case at all. It is believed that Paul and Silas was in Berea around 54 and 55 A.D. Which means some NT books were already in circulation.

Now in your example above Paul went to the Jews in the synagogue. They probably only used the OT there but outside plenty would have known about the other books already in circulation and could read and compare them. They were scripture before the ink even dried! In fact, Galatians with all of it's OT quotes would probably put a lot of Jews in "readiness of mind".
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Old 08-21-2012, 12:58 PM
 
Location: california
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One taught of the Holy Spirit Jesus provides, can exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharesees, exceedthe limits of the law men twist to fit their own intellectual ajenda.
One walking in the tutelage of the Holy spirit, can be obedient as little child, Jesus said one should become .
The knowledge of the law does not satisfy God's expectation.
Knowledge aside from God's own insruction personally, is the dividing factor Adam took in place of God's influence Genisis 3;
Who's influence do you prefir ?
In the light of eternity who's influence really matters ?
I suggest you pray over that.
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Old 08-21-2012, 01:45 PM
 
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Don't bother Mikelee, he's just trolling you.

And clearly has no understanding of what's going on in 1 Corinthians 9, which is really part of a multi-chapter beautiful explanation on the freedom of the Christian, and then the giving up of rights for the sake of others. But AW sees only deception, which is both sad and a shallow reading.
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Yes. I worked for quite number of years in medical research where we learned to carefully evaluate data.
Non-sequitur? My point still stands that you have read 1 Corinthians 9 completely wrong.

But that's OK, just ignore that and launch new and different attacks, right?


It's hard for my to take your objections seriously when you misread passages (and this is not the first time) due to your hostility and antagonism.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:01 PM
 
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Clement of Rome referred to 2 Peter 3:4 as “the scripture” in his letter to the Corinthians (23:3). As an Elder in the church at Rome, Clement most certainly knew of the book before his writing in 70 AD.

The book of Jude (written before 70 AD) confirms Peter's prophecy in 2 Peter 2:1.
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"The scripture" Any scripture at all??? Clement would have to refer to 2 Peter for your claim to have any validity.

The book of Jude was the book that the writer of 2 Peter used as his source. You've got it just backwards.

"Although 2 Peter internally purports to be a work of the apostle, most biblical scholars have concluded that Peter is not the author and consider the epistlepseudepigraphical. Reasons for this include its linguistic differences from 1 Peter, its apparent use of Jude, possible allusions to 2nd-century gnosticism, encouragement in the wake of a delayed parousia, and weak external support" (Wikipedia and Grant, Robert M. A Historical Introduction To The New Testament, chap. 14
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The Holy Spirit bears witness that Paul was speaking through the Holy Spirit.
"If, I were to testify (witness) on my own behalf, my testimony (witness) would not be valid."
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The Holy Spirit through Paul tells us all things written before time are written for our learning (Romans 15:4).
Ever learning, but never knowing.
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Old 08-23-2012, 08:02 AM
 
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The New is completely hidden in the Old and the Old is made manifest in the New. Neville Goddard .
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