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The Quran claims to use the Bible but in doing so denies just about everything the Bible says. So look to the Bible and authenticate that. It clearly exposes the Quran as a fraud, but lets not get into that debate.
Regarding the Bible, what one needs to ultimately do is go to the originals. The problem with the Watchtower's New World Translation, if you do research you will find that the text has been changed in certain areas - especially areas that suggest the transcendence/divinity of Jesus Christ.
John 3
King James Version
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man.
"which is in heaven" is not included in the New World Translation which suggests the transcendent nature of the Messiah. This gets into Textual Criticism however, which I find to be a very important area to research.
The "Word of God" is in the originals. Once one establishes who Jesus Christ is, than they can establish the integrity of design of the Scriptures. Telling events prior to them happening is the trademark fingerprint from God that it is indeed his Word. So understanding the prophecies that have come to past are important at authenticating the Word as such. No other "Holy" Book has this authenticity.
What comprises the Canon? There are good people that believe certain books like the Book of Enoch are inspired. I believe the Holy Spirit is the ultimate discerner of what is from God, and I do believe he's been working in God's servants to get this in the hands of English readers with the authorized King James Version being the best translation.
So from what you are stating above, it is my understanding that you believe that the Hebrews and the Greeks spoke in the language of King James. And I am not saying "English" I am saying the fact that the thee, thou, thine, and so forth were part of the original text.... And the latest version of KJ removed the name of Jehovah completely. You see my point here. I am certainly NOT criticizing the KJV, far from it. I am only saying it was written or translated in a time period when that might have been easily understood wording. Today not so much. So I simply prefer the New World Translation over others as it is easily understood for me. Please, I am not attempting to slight ANY other version of the Holy Scriptures. As I state previously......(2 Timothy 3:16, 17) All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
The Quran claims to use the Bible but in doing so denies just about everything the Bible says. So look to the Bible and authenticate that. It clearly exposes the Quran as a fraud, but lets not get into that debate.
Regarding the Bible, what one needs to ultimately do is go to the originals. The problem with the Watchtower's New World Translation, if you do research you will find that the text has been changed in certain areas - especially areas that suggest the transcendence/divinity of Jesus Christ.
John 3
King James Version
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man.
"which is in heaven" is not included in the New World Translation which suggests the transcendent nature of the Messiah. This gets into Textual Criticism however, which I find to be a very important area to research.
The "Word of God" is in the originals. Once one establishes who Jesus Christ is, than they can establish the integrity of design of the Scriptures. Telling events prior to them happening is the trademark fingerprint from God that it is indeed his Word. So understanding the prophecies that have come to past are important at authenticating the Word as such. No other "Holy" Book has this authenticity.
What comprises the Canon? There are good people that believe certain books like the Book of Enoch are inspired. I believe the Holy Spirit is the ultimate discerner of what is from God, and I do believe he's been working in God's servants to get this in the hands of English readers with the authorized King James Version being the best translation.
Not necessarily. It's all part of the story. Didn't Cinderella experience miracles too, ie. mircalulous gown, and carriage being created on the spot? Do you consider these miracles true, and on the basis of what evidence exactly?
You're using scripture to verify scripture.
Last edited by ancient warrior; 08-31-2012 at 10:52 AM..
Reason: typo
Actually the New World Translation is translated directly from the Hebrew, and Greek Scriptures. Many of other faiths use the New World Translation because it is in a language of today such as those others that are in modern language... We used King James Bibles for many, many years... I cross reference my research with many other translations.... And always have a KJV handy for those who prefer it's use.
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Your claim of "translated directly" may not be entirely correct.
The greatest error in the JW Bible occurs in the begginning of John's Gospel where the Word is spoken of as "a" god, instead of God. This is a fatal error.
The greatest error in the JW Bible occurs in the begginning of John's Gospel where the Word is spoken of as "a" god, instead of God. This is a fatal error.
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Actually, that's a possible translation, in fact, probably the correct one. The "Word" is the same as the Logos (or Demiurge) the creator god, an aspect of God but a lesser god. It comes from Greek cosmology which was adopted by early Christianity.
6.Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy (2nd ed): Philo Judaeus, 1999.
7. May, Herbert G. and Bruce M. Metzger. The New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha. 1977.
Because the Scripture cannot be broken, it is obvious that Elijah ascended to the secound Heaven called Paradise/Abraham's Bosom. Jesus is ascended to the third Heaven.
Because the Scripture cannot be broken, it is obvious that Elijah ascended to the secound Heaven called Paradise/Abraham's Bosom. Jesus is ascended to the third Heaven.
My Brother, Jesus created Heaven and everything else in existence.
Actually, that's a possible translation, in fact, probably the correct one. The "Word" is the same as the Logos (or Demiurge) the creator god, an aspect of God but a lesser god. It comes from Greek cosmology which was adopted by early Christianity.
6.Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy (2nd ed): Philo Judaeus, 1999.
7. May, Herbert G. and Bruce M. Metzger. The New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha. 1977.
Oh please, why do you think the very early church spent so much time combatting Gnostic influences? Because they knew the Logos was not understood in the same way the Gnostics used it! So for you to come in and say this opposing ancient Greek understanding should help determine our translation is ridiculous.
Maybe you should actually read May and Metzger's work before just quoting Wikipedia.
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