Am I the only one who rolls eyes when Old Testament Christians... (Torah, purification)
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Jesus provided the Holy Spirit to teach in His place ,there for,
For Jesus to have Lordship in one's life , the Holy spirit needs to be one's tutor, in God's will, not men not even self.
The disciples comission was to Preach the gospel not excersize lordship over the church .
Jesus straitly instructed them NOT to be called master , or Rabbi, or Father , all of these refir to being a teacher or guide or athourity.
Jesus designated God as the only one to call Father ,never a man, and Jesus designated Him self to be called master, not one man has that right or calling, as Paul had so definately countrodicted.
Being Pharesee it is no supprize teaching for doctrine his own commandments ,not Jesus'.
The doos and don'ts are the athourity provided by God himself, on a personal level to one that has a personal relationship , obedient to the guidance ,the Holy spirit, Jesus provided .
Yes God really has that much interest in those that love Him, and sence there are so few; it is less than a challange I am sure.
I know His instruction, and I am insignificant when compared to the giants of obedience I have met, and those through out scripture.
Will God use people that are not completely obedient ? well look at Pharaoh, when Moses was asking to let Isreal go ,God hardened his heart, because God was about to bring down judgment against him, with a fury , using the things Egypt worshipped, against them, and more.
Jesus did not prevent others preaching His gospel, even thought the disciples got their panties in a wad seeing some share the gospel and not a part of their clique.
John 21;22, Jesus basiclly told Peter mind your own business and fallow me.
How or what God instructs some one is entiely their business between them and God ,if so be they are obeying God.
Every one of us will give account, Jesus said even idle conversation ,like the stuff going on here, we will give account on that day.
And something to remember, God really hates excuses and those shifting blame . It didn't work out so well for Adam and I am pretty sure it won't work out for any one else.
Out side obedience on a personal level, one is in self government still in rebellion, no matter how intellectual they may appear.
Jesus made it available to have a relationship, To choose against that provision is choosing against Him, against God's investment.
The whole book of Galatians was written by the Apostle Paul to congregations who were being deceived by "Old Testament Christians", who thought Christians were obliged to keep the Old Testament laws. the Book of Galatians clearly teaches that these false teachers are in the wrong and are bringing others to their doom. Read the book yourself and see.
Exactly.
People seem to get confused as to the meaning of "commandments" as it pertains to the requirements of a believer in the NT.
We as Christians are not free to do whatever we want, but are commanded to follow certain teachings (and not for our salvation, but out of obedience in response).
It pretty much boils down to the two great commandments Jesus mentions, and then we have the epistles to give us clarification and granularity as to how those play out in the context of Christian community. We also have the OT to add color, insight and illustration to certain areas, but not because we are still under Mosaic Law.
Ro 3:20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
Ro 3:21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. Ro 3:22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,
Ro 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Ro 3:24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
Ro 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.
Ro 4:2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God.
Ro 4:3 What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
Ro 3:20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
Ro 3:21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. Ro 3:22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,
Ro 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Ro 3:24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
Ro 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.
Ro 4:2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God.
Ro 4:3 What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
Just a little more information for some of you.
Here, Paul is saying that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law but he is not preaching that the law is done away. When one is justified, one is brought into right standing before God. In Romans 3:20 it tells us that no man shall be justified by the deeds of the law. “For by the law is the knowledge of sin.” The Law of God (not the ceremonial law) defines sin - it tells you what sin is - but it does not and cannot take away the penalty for previous violations. Obeying the Law of God in the future does not pay for past guilt. If a man commits a crime, his obedience to the civil law in the future does not make him any less guilty of his past crimes.
Romans 3 verses 24-25 explain how we are justified. We are justified by God’s grace through the redeeming sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Christ was a propitiation (which is a sacrifice that reconciles) for us to God. By His sacrifice our PAST sins are remitted.
But once you are reconciled to God, you must keep the commandments if you want to remain justified (Romans 2:13).
Romans 2: [KJV]
13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Now, being justified by faith does not mean that we do away with or make void the law but to the contrary, we establish the law (Rom 3:31). Once our sins are forgiven we are able to receive God’s Holy Spirit which He gives to those who obey Him (Acts 5:32). The Holy Spirit gives us the love of God (Romans 5:5) which is the keeping of His commandments (1 John 5:3).
Romans 5: [NKJV]
5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
1 John 5: [KJV]
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Not at all! You can't shake my faith in God and his Gospel of Grace as revealed through The Apostle to the Gentiles. We are living in the dispensation of Grace. And that's a simple fact. As long as the church remains on earth it will be that way. Please don't wait too long to discover that.
Not at all! You can't shake my faith in God and his Gospel of Grace as revealed through The Apostle to the Gentiles. We are living in the dispensation of Grace. And that's a simple fact. As long as the church remains on earth it will be that way. Please don't wait too long to discover that.
No one is trying to "shake your faith in God" WK. He IS Faithful, to be sure, to carry out His every word...His every word...something you fail to understand in the light of truth. He can be counted on to bring forth His every word...He isn't the problem here...your pride and unbelief in His every word of THE GOSPEL OF GRACE prohibits you from being able to see past your own nose all the parts of Scripture that clearly teaches us that we...if we are to become a member of His family...spiritual Israel...a born again...repentive, son of God...who will inherit eternal life and ALL that goes with that within His Kingdom...requires much from you than simply professing your belief...to be sure.
You do not have all the answers sir...as much as you think you do...you are mistaken on so many levels and you go around here speaking as if you've got it all tied up in a nice little bow...but you do not. You do not know the depth of His grace and what all that entails sir...please don't wait too long to discover that.
Not under Judaism there aren't. Not sure why Christians think they get to define how the Hebrew Bible works.
That's fine, as we are not Jews, nor do we depend on Jews to define what the Lord Himself gave to mankind.
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