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Old 09-05-2012, 01:21 AM
 
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If the 120 had not been assembled on Pentecost/Feast of Weeks/Feast of Firstfruits one of the annual Holy Days they would not have received God's Holy Spirit. No, believers do not go to Heaven. Christ is coming to rule on this earth and the saints will rule with Him (Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.) Your going to heaven doctrine is out of the mind of the being who wants to pull off a coup and attack God and throw Him off His throne and exalt his own throne above the stars.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Satan wants to go to Heaven to knock God off His throne. The Saints are going to meet Christ as He is descending and will rule with Christ for a thousand years and through the judgment and sentencing periods pictured by God's Holy Day -- the Last Great Day (see original post) and then finally God the Father is going to come down on this earth (see Rev 21). So you have it backward, the Saints are not going up to Heaven, but rather God and Christ are coming down here to this Earth. Even Psalms 37 speaks about inheriting the earth and not going to Heaven:

Psa 37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.
Psa 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Psa 37:22 For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.

And notice the phrase in Dan 7 -- "under the whole heaven". It does not say "in heaven". The Saints are going to be administering the Government of God along with Christ on this earth.

Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Again:

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

And not up in Heaven as false Christianity teaches today.

Conclusion:
My statement in the original post was absolutely correct. You and your false Christianity are the ones in error.
The Church-age began on the day of Pentecost. On that day there was a change of dispensations. The age of Israel was temporarily put on hold and the Church-age began. The Church does not observe the Jewish rituals and feast days. They have nothing to do with the Church.


I just got through showing you three passages that SHOW Tribulational believers IN HEAVEN and still you deny it. When Christ returns, those who are currently in heaven will return to the earth with Him. In the meantime all believers go to heaven when they die.

Your statement in the original post was that of a misguided cultist and is wrong.

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Old 09-05-2012, 01:46 AM
 
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I have a question for the OP,

What group are you a part of? Was it started by a missionary, and do you do local Bible Studies in homes? You are sounding a little like a friend of mine, who has been telling me about a "Bible Study" she has been going to, and I am wondering if it is the same thing?
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Old 09-05-2012, 04:48 AM
 
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Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

Matt 19:17 And he [Christ] said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

The ERV makes this verse a little plainer:
Matt 19:17 Jesus answered, "Why do you ask me about what is good? Only God is good. But if you want to have eternal life, obey the law's commands."

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:13 I [Jesus Christ] am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments [God the Father's Commandments], that they may have right to the tree of life [this reinforces what Christ said earlier in Matthew 19:17], and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie [contrasted with those that have not repented and are breaking God's Commandments].
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches [but not to the churches of this present evil world]...
Do you see any mention of the Sabbath in Matt: 19 of what Jesus said to the rich man? Jesus says which of the ten commandments are a part of eternal life, not that we earn salvation by keeping even these but they are are a part of salvation when we follow Jesus. Love will not break these commandments that He listed in Matt: 19 but rather keep them. The Sabbath however has been done away with because He fullfiled it and the reason He makes no mention of it.

MT 19:16-23 And, behold, one came and said unto Him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? "And He said unto him, Why do you call Me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life [not earn], keep the commandments. He said unto him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal [this begins with coveting], You shall not bear false witness, Honour your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbour as yourself. The young man said unto Him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If you will be perfect, go and sell that you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven: and come and follow Me [this is the first command is to love the Lord but he broke it because he put money ahead of God and would not follow]. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. Then said Jesus unto His disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven."
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Old 09-05-2012, 05:10 AM
 
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The Church-age began on the day of Pentecost. On that day there was a change of dispensations. The age of Israel was temporarily put on hold and the Church-age began. The Church does not observe the Jewish rituals and feast days. They have nothing to do with the Church.


I just got through showing you three passages that SHOW Tribulational believers IN HEAVEN and still you deny it. When Christ returns, those who are currently in heaven will return to the earth with Him. In the meantime all believers go to heaven when they die.

Your statement in the original post was that of a misguided cultist and is wrong.
You are so wrong. God never suspends His Days of worship or His Commandments and Statutes and Laws. You have been so affected by the Melchisedec-Levi-Melchisedec priesthood change that you have come with all kinds of your own personal theories on what God is doing that are not right.

Yes, there was a change in the priesthood, there is a change to where you send the tithe, but the Commandments, Statutes and Judgments of God are still the same. Just like the law of gravity they are still in effect and they haven't changed. Now, the need for animal sacrifices have changed and is optional. The need for ritualistic washings that picture God's Holy Spirit have caused a change and are optional but the basic Spiritual Law of God that defines what is sin, that actually define how God thinks and reflects His spiritual character, they have not changed.

The true Church of God keeps everything that God and Christ command. This false Christianity that we see today is in error and you apparently have gone along with all their errors. They have substituted pagan practices and like you, have come up with all kinds of doctrines and theories of men which are not found in the Bible. Christmas? Easter? (-- the actual name of a pagan goddess for a day of worship, who would have believed something like this would be put on Christianity?) Immortal Soul? Sunday-worship? Going to Heaven vs a Resurrection?

And as stated in the original post we are not going to Heaven but rather the reward of the saved is to inherit the earth.

Keep this anchoring scripture locked into your mind.

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Now, the main topic of this thread was God's Holy Days and not going to Heaven when you die. Please let someone else discuss the Holy Days since your religion teaches you nothing concerning the Master Plan of God's Salvation and all you can think about is your set of observances and other false doctrines like going to Heaven. So, please step aside, for you are bankrupt in your knowledge of this vital subject of God's Holy Days that affect and will affect all humanity.
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Old 09-05-2012, 05:14 AM
 
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I have a question for the OP,

What group are you a part of? Was it started by a missionary, and do you do local Bible Studies in homes? You are sounding a little like a friend of mine, who has been telling me about a "Bible Study" she has been going to, and I am wondering if it is the same thing?
This may be removed because it is off-topic but to answer your question.

Personally, I was associated with the Worldwide Church of God 1981-1992. There was an apostasy and many of us were disfellowshipped, fired or left.

There are many splinter groups are out there that claim to follow the WCG: Philadelphia Church of God, Living Church of God, Restored Church of God, etc etc.
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Old 09-05-2012, 05:22 AM
 
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Do you see any mention of the Sabbath in Matt: 19 of what Jesus said to the rich man? Jesus says which of the ten commandments are a part of eternal life, not that we earn salvation by keeping even these but they are are a part of salvation when we follow Jesus. Love will not break these commandments that He listed in Matt: 19 but rather keep them. The Sabbath however has been done away with because He fullfiled it and the reason He makes no mention of it.

MT 19:16-23 And, behold, one came and said unto Him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? "And He said unto him, Why do you call Me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life [not earn], keep the commandments. He said unto him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal [this begins with coveting], You shall not bear false witness, Honour your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbour as yourself. The young man said unto Him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If you will be perfect, go and sell that you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven: and come and follow Me [this is the first command is to love the Lord but he broke it because he put money ahead of God and would not follow]. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. Then said Jesus unto His disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven."
The topic was God's Annual Festivals -- God's Master Plan of Salvation. I have already in other posts discussed whether we should keep the Sabbath and Holy Days. I have explained Col 2:16-17 but no one seems to remember this. So, step aside since you are bankrupt in knowledge it appears on this vital subject of the true meaning of God's Holy Days and keep this thread on topic instead of just going back to the same arguments that are discussed endlessly on this forum. Thank you.
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Old 09-05-2012, 05:59 AM
 
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The topic was God's Annual Festivals -- God's Master Plan of Salvation. I have already in other posts discussed whether we should keep the Sabbath and Holy Days. I have explained Col 2:16-17 but no one seems to remember this. So, step aside since you are bankrupt in knowledge it appears on this vital subject of the true meaning of God's Holy Days and keep this thread on topic instead of just going back to the same arguments that are discussed endlessly on this forum. Thank you.
My post has very much to do with the Festivals and is on topic because the Festivals were centered around the regular Sabbaths. Because the Sabbaths of the 7th day do not exist anymore neither do the Festivals any more except as signs for the Jews. Perhap it is rude you who should "Step aside" for someone who does understand.

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Old 09-05-2012, 06:08 AM
 
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My post has very much to do with the Festivals because they were centerd around the Sabbath. Because the Sabbaths of the the 7th day does not exist neither do the Festivals. Step aside for someone who does understand.
The Sabbaths are real. They are memorials looking back at great past events and they also picture great events to come. And they are true Christian days for worshiping God and Christ instead of Christmas, Easter, etc which are pagan. If you want to be ignorant of their existence then go ahead, but step aside since they are not a part of your belief system.
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Old 09-05-2012, 06:11 AM
 
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Most of the misunderstanding between modern versus true Christianity today comes from not understanding and keeping the Holy Days of God. Each year a true Christian is to go through this Master Plan of God and learn each step of how mankind is going to achieve their ultimate potential of being born into the Kingdom of God and thus move from the human kingdom into the God kingdom and become an actual member of the household of God with God our Father and Christ our Elder Brother.

Now, the annual Holy Days of God are centered around two harvest seasons. A smaller one in the spring and greater one in the fall.

Right now God is calling a small number of people to be in the true Church of God. This is pictured by the early harvest in the spring. Most people are deceived and following a false christ and worshiping a false god believing that they are going to Heaven (which is not Biblical) and believing a lot of truth and pagan error mixed doctrines all believing that they are true Christians. They are deceived and sincerely believing they are converted when actually they are not. And Christ did not try to convert the world. He even spoke in parables to hide the meaning and not make it clear as many believe.

Only a small number, who have been predestinated to be called at this time are in this early spring harvest. Everyone else is blinded and cannot see the Truth even if they wanted to. God wants them to remain blind because it is not their time to be healed and saved.

Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

Now, you know why there is no divine healing in your churches. You are not converted and you are not being healed both spiritually and physically. I am not saying you are lost, I am saying you are not being called yet. It appears that you are destined for the greater harvest pictured in the fall Holy Days -- the Feast of Tabernacles and the Last Great Day when the whole world will be called and the Truth will be made plain and everyone will understand.

But now, the Truth is hidden from the world and world rejects it if someone tries to teach it because that is God's and Christ's will at this particular time. The only ones responding to the Truth in a positive way at this time are the ones God is calling to rule with Christ in the First Resurrection which will take place at the Return of Jesus Christ to this earth and is pictured by the Holy Day -- The Feast of Trumpets (this Holy Day is less than two weeks away).

So, I can't emphasize this enough, since you have substituted pagan days of worship for God's days you are, on top of being blind and deaf to the Truth, you are also cut off from any true understanding of the true God and the true Christ, and God's Plan of Salvation being worked out each year in these annual Holy Days. And you must go through God's plan of salvation each year to really understand it. I personally have been going through this cycle of Holy Days for over 30 years and there is still more to learn.

Passover
Days of Unleavened Bread
Pentecost
Feast of Trumpets
Day of Atonement
Feast of Tabernacles
Last Great Day

Don't think we practice Judaism and put the same meaning and symbolism on these days as the Jews. We do not. We look at these days from a Christian perspective and these days have different meaning to us than the meaning they have for the Jewish people. Now, there are some things that are the same but there a lot of things that are different, I am quite sure.

You must keep these annual special days of God which include 7 annual Sabbaths or Holy Days to truly understand God's Master Plan of Salvation. You are basically blind and ignorant of the true God and His Plan of Salvation until you do.

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I would like you to show and prove to all on this forum where in the New Testament its say if we dont observe the Sabbath and feast days, we will go to hell, just one verse. No manipulation or trying to twist anything either. The messiah went to the synagog on the sabbath as it was his custom is not a command, the apostles went to the synagog on the sabbath is not a command either, because they were trying to spread the gospel to the Jews since that is where they would be on the sabbath.

Ive asked this question for 9 months now and no one can show 1 verse in the entire new testament that shows the sabbath is commanded under the new covenant the way it was in the old. Ive heard its in there and you and to look for your self, but they were never able to show it themselves, now its your turn to back up your actions and show the command that says to not observes holy days and the sabbath will make one not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
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Old 09-05-2012, 06:20 AM
 
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I would like you to show and prove to all on this forum where in the New Testament its say if we dont observe the Sabbath and feast days, we will go to hell, just one verse. No manipulation or trying to twist anything either. The messiah went to the synagog on the sabbath as it was his custom is not a command, the apostles went to the synagog on the sabbath is not a command either, because they were trying to spread the gospel to the Jews since that is where they would be on the sabbath.

Ive asked this question for 9 months now and no one can show 1 verse in the entire new testament that shows the sabbath is commanded under the new covenant the way it was in the old. Ive heard its in there and you and to look for your self, but they were never able to show it themselves, now its your turn to back up your actions and show the command that says to not observes holy days and the sabbath will make one not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Luke 23:
55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Note: this was written by Luke about 30 years after the crucifixion according to one of my sources.

I could go on and on and go over things that has already been discussed. So step aside, your arguments are for another thread. This is about God's Master Plan of Salvation as revealed through God's Holy Days.
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