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Old 09-07-2012, 06:25 AM
 
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You keep quoting Matthew 19, but you wont put ALL the verses after it.

Matthew 19


The Rich and the Kingdom of God16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony,19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”
20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.


-Which goes back to my original point in this post, as that keep the sabbath was not listed by Jesus. If Sabbath keeping so so life and death important and you state, he would have listed it here. Just like all the verses i listed that shows what what must do to not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, not keeping the Sabbath is not one of them.
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:03 AM
 
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After reading through many of these different forum topics, ive seen many postings saying that if you dont follow each and every one the 10 commandments, you will go to hell etc(Mainly sabbath breaking). Ive listed just about all the verses i could find on who will not inherent the kingdom of heaven. Now can someone please show me where not keeping a 7th day Saturday sabbath & the 7 Holy feast days keeps one out of the kingdom, since its has been stated many times that breaking this command will spell out our doom.

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The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)
1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.

2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.

3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

6 “You shall not murder.

7 “You shall not commit adultery.

8 “You shall not steal.

9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”
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Galatians 5:19-21
New King James Version (NKJV)
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[b] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.


1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.


Ephesians 5:5
5 For this you know,[a] that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.


Colossians 3:5-9
5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.
8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds,


Revelation 20:15
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.


Revelation 21:8
8 But the cowardly, unbelieving,[a] abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”


-It is very clear by these verses that there is more one can do outside the 10 commandments that will also cause them not to go to heaven, but going to church on a Sunday, or not resting all day Saturday is not listed anywhere.
If you were to notice, the legalist in Jesus' time followed him and his disciples around looking for examples of how they were not keeping the Sabbath. And when they were sure of themselves they do what legalists do ... they accuse.

Legalists will be damned for trusting in themselves their perceived fulfillment of the law rather than trusting in Jesus that he is our subsitute for being the fulfillment and perfect obedience to the law which is credited to us by faith.
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:26 AM
 
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You keep quoting Matthew 19, but you wont put ALL the verses after it.

Matthew 19


The Rich and the Kingdom of God16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony,19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”
20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.


-Which goes back to my original point in this post, as that keep the sabbath was not listed by Jesus. If Sabbath keeping so so life and death important and you state, he would have listed it here. Just like all the verses i listed that shows what what must do to not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, not keeping the Sabbath is not one of them.
Christ did not specifically mention the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 10th Commandments either either but that doesn't mean we are not to keep them. Christ merely identified the Ten by naming some of them. You are the one who is legalistic in trying to find a loophole in getting around obeying God and then substituting Baal worship (Sunday, Christmas and Easter (the actual name of a pagan goddess, believe it or not) in the place of true worship to God which is found in the Bible.

Like I said, God has corrected me and still corrects me if I profane His Holy Sabbath. You are lawless and God does not correct you because you are not one of His apparently.

Wake Up!
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:37 AM
 
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You keep quoting Matthew 19, but you wont put ALL the verses after it.

Matthew 19


The Rich and the Kingdom of God16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony,19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”
20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.


-Which goes back to my original point in this post, as that keep the sabbath was not listed by Jesus. If Sabbath keeping so so life and death important and you state, he would have listed it here. Just like all the verses i listed that shows what what must do to not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, not keeping the Sabbath is not one of them.
This is what seems to get lost in the conversation with a legalist:

[1] Jesus (who can see the faith of a person) answered the question leaving out any reference to himself, faith, repentance, leaving a sinful life... things that are associated with the gospel and the grace of God and the compassion of God.

[2] the legalist looks to himself: "what good thing must I do to get eternal life? "

[3] the legalist doesn't hear that perfection is required when counting on "what I [we] must do".
Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect,... " Matthew 19:21
"Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." Matthew 5:48
" I am the LORD;... therefore be holy, because I am holy." Leviticus 11:45
[4] Notice what a legalist will conclude who doesn't lie to themself:
“All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:44 AM
 
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If you were to notice, the legalist in Jesus' time followed him and his disciples around looking for examples of how they were not keeping the Sabbath. And when they were sure of themselves they do what legalists do ... they accuse.

Legalists will be damned for trusting in themselves their perceived fulfillment of the law rather than trusting in Jesus that he is our subsitute for being the fulfillment and perfect obedience to the law which is credited to us by faith.
You are wrong about Christ keeping the Commandments and fulfilling your obligation so you don't have to obey God.

Christ will live His life in a true Christian to keep the Commandments (Gal 2:20) but a true Christian must do their part and put sin out of their lives as pictured in one of God's Festivals -- the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

The faith that you talk about, "faith IN Christ" will not save you. You must receive the "faith OF Christ" to be saved. This is the very faith that Christ has. It is the very faith He had to perform the miracles that He did about 2,000 years ago on this earth.

If there is no divine healing in your church then you and/or your ministry lacks this "faith OF Christ" that only comes to those who obey God and receive His Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32).

But you can go worship whatever you please. I am just warning this nation of their sins. I am not trying to convert them or bring them into any organization. This nation is about to be nuked and destroyed and the survivors taken captive and made slaves in other nations. I have a responsibility to warn my fellow countrymen.

And God corrects me when I have tried to profane His Sabbath and none of you opposing me seem to receive any correction from God.

So, how can you worship on the pagan days that you do and think in any way that you are following Christ and obeying God? How can you? Your god won't correct you because he is the god of this world and he rules over all these churches you see in this present evil world.

God's true Church is a small persecuted flock that is despised by this world just as my words are despised by all of you.

Wake Up!
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:54 AM
 
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Christ did not specifically mention the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 10th Commandments either either but that doesn't mean we are not to keep them. Christ merely identified the Ten by naming some of them. You are the one who is legalistic in trying to find a loophole in getting around obeying God and then substituting Baal worship (Sunday, Christmas and Easter (the actual name of a pagan goddess, believe it or not) in the place of true worship to God which is found in the Bible.

Like I said, God has corrected me and still corrects me if I profane His Holy Sabbath. You are lawless and God does not correct you because you are not one of His apparently.

Wake Up!
Let me guess, you are probably one who believes in the false doctrine going around that Jesus rose from the dead on a Saturday as well too, instead of the 1rst day of the week, even though there are many verses blatantly saying he rose on the 1rst day of the week.

My point is, in the verses i showed, it repeatedly said dont murder, idolatry , sexual immoral, lie, steal etc and repeated over and over in different parts of the NT by Paul and Jesus, yet not keeping a 7th day sabbath is never once listed as something that was condemned and will cause you to loose your salvation.



Since you like to post articles, you should read this one as well before you go around accusing everyone of paganism.


Paganism — Where Should Christians Draw the Line?
Paganism

Paganism, Pagans and Pagan Customs
Paganism, Pagans and Pagan Customs | Grace Communion International

What Does Deuteronomy 12:30-31 Forbid?
What Does Deuteronomy 12:30-31 Forbid? | Grace Communion International
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Old 09-07-2012, 08:06 AM
 
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A carnal mind which cannot be subject to the law of God.

I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 1 Corinthians 15:50
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Old 09-07-2012, 08:11 AM
 
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Let me guess, you are probably one who believes in the false doctrine going around that Jesus rose from the dead on a Saturday as well too, instead of the 1rst day of the week, even though there are many verses blatantly saying he rose on the 1rst day of the week.

My point is, in the verses i showed, it repeatedly said dont murder, idolatry , sexual immoral, lie, steal etc and repeated over and over in different parts of the NT by Paul and Jesus, yet not keeping a 7th day sabbath is never once listed as something that was condemned and will cause you to loose your salvation.



Since you like to post articles, you should read this one as well before you go around accusing everyone of paganism.


Paganism — Where Should Christians Draw the Line?
Paganism

Paganism, Pagans and Pagan Customs
Paganism, Pagans and Pagan Customs | Grace Communion International

What Does Deuteronomy 12:30-31 Forbid?
What Does Deuteronomy 12:30-31 Forbid? | Grace Communion International

From a previous post which you did not adequately address:

What you have written above is legalistic. Since you can't find a specific "thou shalt" or "thou shalt not..." you have determined that the Sabbath has been done away with, which is not true. Where is the command about kidnapping, did I overlook it? I guess your legalistic approach cannot account for that or will you compromise and say it is covered by this or that general command. I can use this same argument and point out to you that the Sabbath is also covered by a more general command as well:

Sabbath:
http://www.cog-web-svc.com/hwa/books-booklets/pdf/sabbath.pdf

Pagan Holidays:
http://www.cog-web-svc.com/hwa/books-booklets/pdf/holydays.pdf
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:04 AM
 
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Do not steal!!!. Kidnapping is stealing something/someone that is not yours. And you clearly wouldnt do that if you loved your neighbor.

Spare me your Church Of God nonsense, Hebert Armstrong's opinion on anything is no more valid or true than the next mans or preacher opinion on anything. You can take certain verses in the bible make make it fit any argument you want it to mean. It has been proven by many on this forum and many other websites that COG is more cult like than Christ like and is full of false doctrine.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:34 AM
 
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Do not steal!!!. Kidnapping is stealing something/someone that is not yours. And you clearly wouldnt do that if you loved your neighbor.

Spare me your Church Of God nonsense, Hebert Armstrong's opinion on anything is no more valid or true than the next mans or preacher opinion on anything. You can take certain verses in the bible make make it fit any argument you want it to mean. It has been proven by many on this forum and many other websites that COG is more cult like than Christ like and is full of false doctrine.
And if you loved God, wouldn't you keep His Sabbaths holy as commanded in the Scriptures?

Deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Matt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Matt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mark 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

The Ten Commandments are summarized by the Two Great Commandments:

Love God: Commandments 1-4
Love Neighbor: Commandments 5-10

The Sabbath was kept by Jesus Christ and the early apostles as recorded in the NT Scriptures. You do not find them substituting pagan celebrations and keeping them instead. The pagan celebrations were injected into Christianity by the Beast (Roman Empire) through the church of the Beast which currently has headquarters in Rome. There is a warning to Christians to come out of this false system of religious confusion (Revelation 18:4).

Take heed!
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