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I read it as only having ONE wife instead of several wives. It was written in an extemely patriarchal, male dominated culture, so what else would you expect?
It was also written in a culture where slavery was common, hence Jesus telling slaves to obey their masters. Christians in the past used scripture to support enslaving others. Does that mean we should reinstate slavery in the 21st century?
Think it was Paul who never met Jesus who suggested that slaves obey their masters...as for male dominated culture...That has never really existed...Some woman in our times totally dominate the male..What makes you think that powerful woman did not exist in the past...no one can oppress another human being or dominate them...This is a myth..If you are being dominated it does not matter if you are male or female- there might be an inequality that is natural with some couples...My mother was 15 years younger than my father. She was a very dynamic person and she dominated him...I am sure she was not that rare.
Rom 16:7 Greet Andronicus and Junias, my kinsmen and fellow prisoners, noted among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
All Paul is doing here is greeting fellow Christians...Is this saying that those who he is greeting were apostles or they were noted by the apostles?...Who were in Christ before him, the Apostles, or those Paul is greeting herein?...
Here is the Greek rendering of that name:
G2458 Ιουνίας
Iounias
ee-oo-nee'-as Of Latin origin; Junias, a Christian: - Junias.
This verse containing the name Junias, there is not enough information to ascertain anything further than what it says...Now who is 'cherry picking' in order to support a pet doctrine?...
Incorrect.
See my earlier post where the early church fathers referred to Junia as a woman. (And an apostle). The earliest Greek manuscripts had it as a female name.
Think it was Paul who never met Jesus who suggested that slaves obey their masters...as for male dominated culture...That has never really existed...Some woman in our times totally dominate the male..What makes you think that powerful woman did not exist in the past...no one can oppress another human being or dominate them...This is a myth..If you are being dominated it does not matter if you are male or female- there might be an inequality that is natural with some couples...My mother was 15 years younger than my father. She was a very dynamic person and she dominated him...I am sure she was not that rare.
You are correct that it was Paul who said slaves obey your masters.
However I doubt you will will find any historian who would agree with you that patriarchal male dominated cultures never existed.
See my earlier post where the early church fathers referred to Junia as a woman. (And an apostle). The earliest Greek manuscripts had it as a female name.
Some of Christ's followers were very young men who drank to much...There were just as many woman in the group...The woman were treated with the same respect as the males.. We all imagine that there was Jesus..and a bunch of old men with white beards that followed him about...an a couple of token woman...As I mentioned his followers were primarily some rebel teenagers...some in their 20s..and yes...The were quite rowdy..and booze was their lubricant. The woman in the group offered stability and calm...I would say that Jesus did not have a problem with woman taking authority. As long as it was wise authorship.
Again, some of you people need some real Bible study, not just to read the words in the Bible literally.
The #1 selling study Bible is the Life Application Study Bible - Living Word Translation.
There are others, all widely accepted by many members of clegry and taught from by those ministers. REAL ministers - the ones with Divinity Degrees and years and years of university level education.
It is always truly a blessing to better understand God's Word instead of clinging to the literal like a Pharisee, in my opinion of course .
Your thread title should read: "Can Women Teach and Preach in a Church?" The answer to the original thread title is no because women will never become priests in the Catholic Church.
That's a pretty arrogant statement. Somehow I don't think this kind of comment makes God proud of you.
I read it as only having ONE wife instead of several wives. It was written in an extemely patriarchal, male dominated culture, so what else would you expect?
Read the rest of it, it refers to an overseer as a HE...And there is the fact that Moses had more than one wife and HaShem gave the Law through him and he led Israel...So, if Paul were including women as overseers, then why did he not just say an overseer is to have one spouse, they do have a Greek word that is not gender specific for 'spouse'...
G435
ανήρ
anēr
an'-ayr
A primary word (compare G444); a man (properly as an individual male): - fellow, husband, man, sir.
G444
ανθρωπος
anthrōpos
anth'-ro-pos
From G435 and ώψ ōps (the countenance; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man.
G1135
γυνή
gunē
goo-nay'
Probably from the base of G1096; a woman; specifically a wife: - wife, woman.
ἄκοιτις - Spouse (Feminine)
ἀκοίτης - Spouse (Masculine)
So, you are saying that Paul was mistaken in his use of the Greek words?...
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Originally Posted by Jaymax
It was also written in a culture where slavery was common, hence Jesus telling slaves to obey their masters. Christians in the past used scripture to support enslaving others. Does that mean we should reinstate slavery in the 21st century?
Jesus said this?...Where?...And who are you a SLAVE of?...Righteousness or Sin?...Yeshua or Satan?...There are only two possible answers...We are all slaves to one of them...
See my earlier post where the early church fathers referred to Junia as a woman. (And an apostle). The earliest Greek manuscripts had it as a female name.
Show me these manuscripts...And Paul did not say that Junias was an apostle....
A life Application bible is someone elses opinion of what it says...Using one, to me, is laziness...You want someone else to tell you what it means...
It's just ONE tool in an active search to interpret God's Word as accurately as possible. There are many other "tools".
True laziness is only reading the King James and doing nothing else but taking everything in it completely literally
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