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Old 09-14-2012, 12:48 PM
 
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Why the question?
People often proclaim, “We are all God’s children” -- as though nothing else matters. The perception seems to be: – ‘because earthly parents love all their children and try to treat them all the same; ….God (the ‘Father’) similarly loves everyone and will always treat everyone the same way … (which some conclude means that ALL people will ‘automatically’ spend eternity in heaven, with God -- Inferred: 'has no personal accountability for their lives or choices in this world'.)

Truth: 1). All people are God’s ‘creation’; 2). God is no respecter of persons; 3). God loves all people and has treated ALL people the same … by providing His Son, Jesus Christ as the ‘atonement for the sin for ALL’. ALL have the same opportunity to accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior … and to be ‘born again’ in God’s Holy Spirit as God’s eternal sons/daughters (joint heirs with Christ).

Truth: ALL true believers in Jesus Christ are ‘born again’ as God’s adopted sons and daughters. But, ALL who reject or ignore Jesus Christ, have neither God (Father) or the Son. They are NOT born again in the Holy Spirit as God’s ETERNAL sons / daughters. Scripture: Jn 1:12, Gal 4:4-5, Jn 8:44, Jn 3:1-2, Gal 3:26, Rom 8:14-18, Jn 5:23, 2Jn1:8-10

Summary: All people are God's creation, but, not God's "Children." God has given mankind His Living and Written Word so that there is no excuse for rejecting or not knowing God’s Word of Truth (in favor of ‘ear-pleasing opinions or traditions.’ One’s response to God and His Living and written Word in this temporary world and life, determine whether one has Salvation and Eternal Life – or not. Simply believing that God loves us (which he does) and/or that 'we are all God's children' (which we are not) ... is not enough.
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Old 09-14-2012, 12:56 PM
 
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Does the Bible really say, "We are all God's children"? NO it does not. Only those who have asked Him into their heart and forgive them of their sin are His children.
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Old 09-14-2012, 01:01 PM
 
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Why the question?
People often proclaim, “We are all God’s children” -- as though nothing else matters. The perception seems to be: – ‘because earthly parents love all their children and try to treat them all the same; ….God (the ‘Father’) similarly loves everyone and will always treat everyone the same way … (which some conclude means that ALL people will ‘automatically’ spend eternity in heaven, with God -- Inferred: 'has no personal accountability for their lives or choices in this world'.)

Truth: 1). All people are God’s ‘creation’; 2). God is no respecter of persons; 3). God loves all people and has treated ALL people the same … by providing His Son, Jesus Christ as the ‘atonement for the sin for ALL’. ALL have the same opportunity to accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior … and to be ‘born again’ in God’s Holy Spirit as God’s eternal sons/daughters (joint heirs with Christ).

Truth: ALL true believers in Jesus Christ are ‘born again’ as God’s adopted sons and daughters. But, ALL who reject or ignore Jesus Christ, have neither God (Father) or the Son. They are NOT born again in the Holy Spirit as God’s ETERNAL sons / daughters. Scripture: Jn 1:12, Gal 4:4-5, Jn 8:44, Jn 3:1-2, Gal 3:26, Rom 8:14-18, Jn 5:23, 2Jn1:8-10

Summary: All people are God's creation, but, not God's "Children." God has given mankind His Living and Written Word so that there is no excuse for rejecting or not knowing God’s Word of Truth (in favor of ‘ear-pleasing opinions or traditions.’ One’s response to God and His Living and written Word in this temporary world and life, determine whether one has Salvation and Eternal Life – or not. Simply believing that God loves us (which he does) and/or that 'we are all God's children' (which we are not) ... is not enough.
You infer and assume all kinds of things that are not implied by anyone that I know of who believes that we are all God's children.

Anyone who has more than one child knows that a parent will not treat all of their children the same because each one is different and needs different things. Nor does a parent who loves their child never hold them accountable for their choices. But, most certainly, no loving parent/God is going to send ANYone to eternal torment. That you may infer from the biblical definition of love.
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Old 09-14-2012, 01:02 PM
 
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"accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior '' <----- is not in the bible either
''God has given mankind His Living and Written Word so that there is no excuse for rejecting or not knowing God’s Word of Truth" <---not in there either.
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Old 09-14-2012, 01:08 PM
 
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ROM 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
ROM 8:15 For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but you have received the Spirit of Adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

One must have the Spirit of Adoption and be lead to be called a child of God.

The world at large are creatures of the Creator but who will not allow God to be there Father.
MK 16:15 "And He said unto them, Go you into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature." The Gospel/Good News is that God the Father desires to adopt those who act like creatures and turn them into sons and daughters.

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Old 09-14-2012, 01:33 PM
 
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"accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior '' <----- is not in the bible either
The statement above reflects the passage below.

Acts 16:31 'Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.


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''God has given mankind His Living and Written Word so that there is no excuse for rejecting or not knowing God’s Word of Truth" <---not in there either.
The statement above is a true statement. God HAS given mankind His Living Word (Jesus Christ), and His written Word (the Bible). Therefore, there is no excuse for rejecting or not knowing God's word.

Of the believer, it is commanded, 2 Pet. 3:18 'but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.'

2 Tim. 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.


Some people complain when Scripture is quoted. Then when someone says something in their own words, other people complain that that's not in the Bible.
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Old 09-14-2012, 01:54 PM
 
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He,Jesus Christ( not a man with a beard) is the Rock of our Salvation.God gave us Son is scriptural. God gave us his written word is most definetly not. Jesus Christ is not open to private interpretation, for when your eyes are opened you cannot confess anything other than He is Lord. Remind me again how many denominations and interpretations off the bible there is ?. He is the more sure word of prophecy.

To answer the question are we are all God children the scripture is clear that He is making man in His own image, that in Him we live and move and have our being, and this one is indisputable unless you are as blind as a bat......for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive. I know it hurts your pride when you come to the knowledge you did nothing to be in Adam and likewise you did nothing to be found in Christ, He put you there, and you responded to His call ( if you have) at His appointed time. Isn't God Good ?.
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:14 PM
 
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Why the question?
People often proclaim, “We are all God’s children” -- as though nothing else matters. The perception seems to be: – ‘because earthly parents love all their children and try to treat them all the same; ….God (the ‘Father’) similarly loves everyone and will always treat everyone the same way … (which some conclude means that ALL people will ‘automatically’ spend eternity in heaven, with God -- Inferred: 'has no personal accountability for their lives or choices in this world'.)

Truth: 1). All people are God’s ‘creation’; 2). God is no respecter of persons; 3). God loves all people and has treated ALL people the same … by providing His Son, Jesus Christ as the ‘atonement for the sin for ALL’. ALL have the same opportunity to accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior … and to be ‘born again’ in God’s Holy Spirit as God’s eternal sons/daughters (joint heirs with Christ).

Truth: ALL true believers in Jesus Christ are ‘born again’ as God’s adopted sons and daughters. But, ALL who reject or ignore Jesus Christ, have neither God (Father) or the Son. They are NOT born again in the Holy Spirit as God’s ETERNAL sons / daughters. Scripture: Jn 1:12, Gal 4:4-5, Jn 8:44, Jn 3:1-2, Gal 3:26, Rom 8:14-18, Jn 5:23, 2Jn1:8-10

Summary: All people are God's creation, but, not God's "Children." God has given mankind His Living and Written Word so that there is no excuse for rejecting or not knowing God’s Word of Truth (in favor of ‘ear-pleasing opinions or traditions.’ One’s response to God and His Living and written Word in this temporary world and life, determine whether one has Salvation and Eternal Life – or not. Simply believing that God loves us (which he does) and/or that 'we are all God's children' (which we are not) ... is not enough.
Here is the problem.

First, to answer the question, yes we are all God's children. We all descended from Adam who was created by God's creation. However that is not the whole story.

Examples:
Hosea 1:10 “Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ they will be called ‘children of the living God.’

Malachi 2
10 Have we not all one Father?
Has not one God created us?
Why do we deal treacherously with one another
By profaning the covenant of the fathers?



Malachi knew we all have one Father - Our Father - who art in heaven. Its even in the Lord's prayer - anyone can say that prayer.

However, no, we are not all God's children in what I will call the "spiritual" sense. The bible clearly talks about children of wrath/devil and children of God. We are a child of God when we follow the teachings and commandments of Jesus - love God, and love one another.

BUT it is important to note that children of wrath can become adopted as children of God.

Ephesians 2:3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

By nature we were all children of wrath. But God can convert us.

Isaiah 19:3 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians to Assyria. The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together. 24 In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth. 25 The Lord Almighty will bless them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.”

One day even Egypt will be God's people.

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Truth: ALL true believers in Jesus Christ are ‘born again’ as God’s adopted sons and daughters. But, ALL who reject or ignore Jesus Christ, have neither God (Father) or the Son. They are NOT born again in the Holy Spirit as God’s ETERNAL sons / daughters. Scripture: Jn 1:12, Gal 4:4-5, Jn 8:44, Jn 3:1-2, Gal 3:26, Rom 8:14-18, Jn 5:23, 2Jn1:8-10
This is true right now in the spiritual sense, but is not the whole story as one day even Egypt (Egypt was the spiritual opposite & enemy of Israel) will be God's people.
One day every knee will bow, every tongue confess (Isaiah 45, Romans 14, Phil 2:9-11) and every creation will worship God (Rev 5:13) and everyone will turn back to God (Psalm 22:27-29). The crooked will be made straight and all will see God's salvation (Luke 3:6).

IMHO it is too easy to use the "children of God/wrath" texts as DIVISIVE, in order to divide, instead of following Jesus' command to love one another and love your enemies.
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:16 PM
 
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Anyone who has more than one child knows that a parent will not treat all of their children the same because each one is different and needs different things. Nor does a parent who loves their child never hold them accountable for their choices. But, most certainly, no loving parent/God is going to send ANYone to eternal torment. That you may infer from the biblical definition of love.
This is an important point to understand. Are we more loving than God? Are not God's ways higher than our ways? Is God not able to convert and open the eyes of anyone He chooses at a time of His choosing?
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:19 PM
 
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You infer and assume all kinds of things that are not implied by anyone that I know of who believes that we are all God's children.

Anyone who has more than one child knows that a parent will not treat all of their children the same because each one is different and needs different things. Nor does a parent who loves their child never hold them accountable for their choices. But, most certainly, no loving parent/God is going to send ANYone to eternal torment. That you may infer from the biblical definition of love.
When God's grace regarding His provision for deliverance from the penalty of sin is rejected, God's justice has no choice but to come into play and leave in condemnation those who have rejected His offer of salvation. God's righteousness demands a penalty for sin. God's justice must carry out the demands of His righteousness. God's love motivated Him to provide a means of salvation which would not compromise His righteousness. If a person does not avail himself of God's grace in His provision of salvation, then God's justice must function in accordance with the demands of His righteousness which results in the eternal condemnation of those who have refused to take possession of the free gift of eternal life through faith alone in Christ alone based on the finished work of Christ on the cross.

Therefore, in saving from the lake of fire those who come to Christ for eternal life, and leaving in condemnation those who refuse His grace, God remains true to His perfect nature. While salvation was motivated by God's love, both salvation and condemnation are the results of God's justice.



That God will send to the lake of fire forever those who do not place their faith in Christ for deliverance from the penalty for sin, is not an inference, it is a stated fact. (Matt. 25:41,46; John 3:36; 1 Thess. 1:8-9; Rev. 20:10-15). Universalists resort to all sorts of Scripture twisting to redefine the meaning of these passages. They will claim for themselves a superior spiritual understanding which they do not possess, and accuse those who truly do understand what those passages say of having being carnal.
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