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Old 09-16-2012, 06:05 PM
 
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Why the Question?: Who hasn’t heard, “Who are you to judge?” … at least 1001 times in response to lifting-up the truth of God’s Word? And yet, Christians are specifically instructed to “Study and rightly divide God’s Word” … and to become adept at using the Sword of God’s Word… as well as “judge not, lest ye be judged.” So is this a scriptural error or contradiction or what?

Truth: 1 Cor 2:15 Christians are specifically instructed to ‘judge’ all things (in the context of discerning truth from error). If we are not to obey this instruction, what then is the purpose of studying scripture and praying for Godly knowledge and wisdom?

Truth: No man is qualified or able to judge the heart of God or of another person. That is God’s domain and people (Christians or otherwise) are not qualified to play God. Christians can and absolutely should know the state of their own Salvation and relationship with God … and can also see “by their fruit” and the consistency of their words with scripture, whether one’s profession of Christian faith, meets the ‘acid test’, but, that is not for purposes of judging others. It is so Christians can recognize false prophets and deceivers who masquerade as ‘angels of light’ … but ….etc.

Scripture: I Cor 2:13-16 - 13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

Summary: The world believes (or at least holds a confident opinion about) many things … and can often present a rational, logical case to support every position. God provides inspired, flawless truth that is reliable for this life and the next. Human philosophies and opinions, regardless of how well thought out, do NOT stand on level ground with God’s Word. Of course, many of God’s people are more familiar with the world’s wisdom, than with God’s truth, thus, have no basis for “judging” truth or error. (Hosea 4:6 - “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge….”
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Old 09-16-2012, 06:18 PM
 
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One of the main reasons God gave us life was to enable us to learn how to choose for ourselves what path we would take. Would we be obedient to His commandments, would we choose to believe His chosen Prophets, would we live as His Son told us to live? All of these things require that we judge one thing as being right and another thing as being wrong. Judgment must be a part of our lives on a daily basis. What we are not supposed to be doing is judging one another. It is not our place to try to say what's in somebody else's heart, to say who is entitled to take upon himself the name of Jesus Christ, or who God will save or condemn. That is the kind of judging we are to abstain from.
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Old 09-16-2012, 06:52 PM
 
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According to scripture we are not to "judge" from an eternal standpoint, that job is God's alone. However, we are supposed to call sin sin....at least when it involves other professing believers and we're to hold our brothers and sisters in Christ accountable and "judge" their sin. All lost people are already judged, John 3 is clear on that. All we can do for the lost is to share the Light of Christ with them.
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Old 09-16-2012, 07:50 PM
 
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According to scripture we are not to "judge" from an eternal standpoint, that job is God's alone. However, we are supposed to call sin sin....at least when it involves other professing believers and we're to hold our brothers and sisters in Christ accountable and "judge" their sin.
It's one thing to be pulling the mote out of our brothers' and sisters' eyes... We just have to make sure that the beam is out of our own first. Most of the time, it's not. I like these words of wisdom: Don't judge me because I sin differently from you.

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All lost people are already judged, John 3 is clear on that. All we can do for the lost is to share the Light of Christ with them.
The problem here is that it's not up to us to determine who's lost and who isn't. We all need to work on ourselves a little more and on other people a little less.
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Old 09-16-2012, 08:41 PM
 
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The right, power, or privilege of making a choice requires judgment.
And, We live with the consequences of our decisions; right or wrong.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:26 AM
 
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Are we to "Judge"/reprove the lost?

Usually when people say this it is in response to a Christian saying "hey you shouldn't be doing ________".


Proverbs 9:6-8

6 Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.

7 He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.

8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.


Proverbs 15:11-12

11 Hell and destruction are before the Lord: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?

12 A scorner loveth not one that reproveth him: neither will he go unto the wise.

I find these passages comforting.

The Scripture suggests Christians are not to reprove a lost individual in their behavior. The result for rebuking a wicked man is getting the Christian a blot. << I'm not sure what that means entirely, but it sounds like a sin actually. The result also is that hatred will be stirred up within the scorner.

Christians are to Judge/reprove one another...

1 Corinthians 6:1-4

King James Version (KJV)

6 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

Alot more passages

1 Corinthians 5:12-13

King James Version (KJV)

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

We are instructed not to "Judge" the lost for their behavior but to simply remove them and their influence from our lives.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:29 AM
 
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Matthew 7:

Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
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Old 09-17-2012, 02:41 PM
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Matthew 7:

Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Good point--don't Jesus's words trump everybody else's?
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Old 09-17-2012, 04:33 PM
 
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Matthew 7:

Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Good point--don't Jesus's words trump everybody else's?

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Good point--don't Jesus's words trump everybody else's?
Actually, it's a 'blind eye' interpretation that fails to distinguish between "judging the hearts and motives of other people" (God's business) .... and 'discerning/recognizing/judging ... the difference between the truth and a lie" ... and "rightly dividing the Word of Truth".

Honestly, a lot of interpretations sound good, but, are only extracted, half-truths. How can one even know/judge/ determine that we aren't to judge other people; .... unless they first recognize/know/judge truth from error? Again, I Cor 2 makes it clear that believers are to judge all THINGS, but, have no authority to 'judge other people'. There is a vast difference between the two.
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Old 09-17-2012, 05:51 PM
 
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Matthew 7:

Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
This passage is not saying do not judge. It is saying that what judgement we exercise will be judged by God. We can not escape "Judging" and making "Judgments". It's a part of life, and comes with every choice. It goes on to discuss issues of spiritual blindness. How can one that is in bondage to a particular sin judge correctly a sin that a brother is doing. Both are blinded by their sin. One must get rid of the bondage to their sin so they can rightly judge the actions of their brothers in what is right and wrong.

Sin has a dangerous blinding effect on one's life. As many can see on here, we justify ourselves with our actions and often times are blinded to our own issues. Thus the beam is in our own eye and can't see clearly to help our brother cast out his sin.
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