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Old 09-19-2012, 08:44 AM
 
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If this is true, then the Catholic hierarchy's reason for imposing celibacy falls apart. Jesus being unmarried is the biggest justification for this, along with some lesser points. The old saying "the single life is the holier life" feels sincere on its face but could be construed as condescending and elitist that the priestly state is higher than the married state.

One of the lesser points is that some priests have said in the past that they are "married to Jesus", evidenced by their ring and vows (at ordination), and they don't want to be polygamists or adulterers. This reason has not been mentioned recently in light of the "Same-Sex marriage controversy", probably because it could be used to deride them being in a same-sex relationship and/or that the institution shelters homosexuals by hiding behind this reason.

BTW the priesthood is not being replenished by new priests. Some have said that lifting celibacy could attract priests and give the hierarchy some credibility on "Family issues". I believe that married priests would rock the average Catholic's psyche though as this is an earth-shaking change.
Do you know when the RCC established celibacy for the Priesthood and Nunnery?...
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:50 AM
 
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Old Orthodox Christianity is based in more reality than modern sects. When they mention the brothers or sisters or Christ..they mean brothers- siblings. This was a given in orthodoxy...When Jesus made himself at home with Martha and her sister...it was his home for a while...There is mention of Christ perturbing his followers because he enjoyed kissing a particular female on the lips...Christ was divine...and was also God in human form...come to earth to live out a human existence- To infer that if there was a woman in his life made him less divine is absurd.
Where do you get this from?...
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:53 AM
 
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A "fragment from the fourth century"!!? He might as well use a Dan Brown book as evidence.
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:53 AM
 
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Good point ....just because something was not mentioned does not mean it was not. Omission is not proof.
How about the written accounts that Muhammad married a 6 year girl and waited to have sex till she was 9 year old ?

As you pointed out .... there were things written about Muhammad's sexual antics, let alone the sexual antics of some clerics by showing relative mercy on underage girls by advocating a process known as "thighing".
You mean a form of pedaracty?...
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:56 AM
 
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Do you know when the RCC established celibacy for the Priesthood and Nunnery?...
Actually, priests were not required to be unmarried until the twelfth century, when two Lateran councils finally decided the issue. There are records of married popes before then. And one 15th Century pope dispensed with the celibacy requirement for himself: Married Popes Throughout History
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:56 AM
 
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Did you miss the other news flash were a scrap was found stating that it was God who rebelled against Satan and took over heaven?...
God rebelled against Satan and took over heaven ..........
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:57 AM
 
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Where do you get this from?...
He gets it from the heretical Gnostic "Gospel of Phillip" in which translators make fun guesses as to what word goes in a missing spot in the manuscript. They guessed "mouth" for the missing word in the fragment "Jesus kissed her often on ......(missing word). Given that kissing on both cheeks was and is common in that part of the world, their guess was less than educated.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:06 AM
 
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He gets it from the heretical Gnostic "Gospel of Phillip" in which translators make fun guesses as to what word goes in a missing spot in the manuscript. They guessed "mouth" for the missing word in the fragment "Jesus kissed her often on ......(missing word). Given that kissing on both cheeks was and is common in that part of the world, their guess was less than educated.
I know where he gets it from...I just wanted him to tell me, then I was going to point out that the word was missing from the text and could be anything from neck to butt...But you got to it before I did...
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:09 AM
 
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God rebelled against Satan and took over heaven ..........
Yes sir...Did you miss that News Flash regarding the manuscript unearthed at the digs in the ancient buried city of Whowoodathungkit which is located in the exact center of the landmass called the Ant-Arctic?....
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:34 AM
 
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Old Orthodox Christianity is based in more reality than modern sects. When they mention the brothers or sisters or Christ..they mean brothers- siblings. This was a given in orthodoxy...When Jesus made himself at home with Martha and her sister...it was his home for a while...There is mention of Christ perturbing his followers because he enjoyed kissing a particular female on the lips...Christ was divine...and was also God in human form...come to earth to live out a human existence- To infer that if there was a woman in his life made him less divine is absurd.
It is said that Jesus is the new Adam, so it might be logical for a Gnostic gospel to follow with a new Eve. The home might represent the Paradise lost. Usually the new Eve is Mary, Jesus' mother.

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Formal religion wanted to demean common mankind by insisting that because they reproduce that they are less than an eternal being..that sex was dirty- and that woman were evil- this is a lot of crap.
Actually Greek/Roman mythology had the gods reproducing; that's why there are gods like Apollo, fathered by Zeus (who was actually married to Hera) and Leto. I'd say that the ancients believed in deistic gods with human characteristics, such as the adultery in that example.

But sex being dirty is actually Augustinian theology, which Thomistic theology builds upon. Apparently St. Augustine of Hippo was a sex addict before he became a Christian. He fathered a son who eventually became a bishop too. Somehow his tendencies and fears went through the carbon paper and became imprinted into the sexual teaching of the Church. The "single life is the holier life" quote is probably the clergy's way of demeaning the breeders (laity), while necessary for the continuation of the Church, is snubbing them for being in the lower earthly caste.

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also- those that insist Mary his mother never had sex with her husband is also absurd. Many think that the conception of Jesus ...was the emaculate conception....look it up in the dictionary- It was the conception of the perfect woman- It was the conception of Mary his mother- who in turn bore the perfect child.
Mary never having sex with her husband after Jesus might stem from Augustinianism. The Protestants have a field day with the "brothers and sisters of Jesus" when discussed with Catholics.

The Immaculate Conception is a 19th Century innovation. See Ineffabilis Deus. All it said was that Mary was not born a sinner and never ever sinned in her entire life. I'd say that might be a political concession with the Mariologist-plurality of Catholics.
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