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Old 10-18-2012, 03:02 PM
 
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Right - and no one has physically seen evolution take place. So I say it's a hoax. And I'm not talking about some microbes on a petri dish.

Why does it still not occur? There are still apes in existence - so it's not like all of the apes have evolved and there are no more left. What stopped the process?
Apes are apes, humans are humans, we both belong to the Primate family of animals, now that being said, humans did NOT evolve from apes. We both share a common ancestor but that is where it ends, apes took a totally different path than Homo Sapiens did along their evolution to where they are today. This is why you will never see an ape magically turn into a human.

You really need to educate yourself on this theory if you expect to carry on an intelligent conversation.
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:22 PM
 
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Since I see that some of you are allergic to reading, I tried to find the shortest, simplest videos to get the basics of evolution through even the thickest skulls:


Richard Dawkins: Flatfish(Halibut) Evolution - YouTube

"Evolution is Fact" - Carl Sagan - YouTube

Intelligent Design? Watch it get schooled. - YouTube
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:25 PM
 
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Apes are apes, humans are humans, we both belong to the Primate family of animals, now that being said, humans did NOT evolve from apes. We both share a common ancestor but that is where it ends, apes took a totally different path than Homo Sapiens did along their evolution to where they are today. This is why you will never see an ape magically turn into a human.

You really need to educate yourself on this theory if you expect to carry on an intelligent conversation.
Thanks Terry. You said it more eloquently than I. We share ancestry with other primates... in fact they are cousins. Let's go to the videotape for the play-by-play to see how brother Dawkins explains it :


Richard Dawkins: Why are there still Chimpanzees? - Nebraska Vignettes #2 - YouTube
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:12 PM
 
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DRob, if you don't even try to educate yourself on the very basic facts of what evolution is, why are you so against it? I know it must be uncomfortable for you to accept a fact when it flies in the face of everything the church taught you, but it's still true. Do you know what kind of timeline evolution works on? Although it CAN be observed within a single human's lifetime in a very limited number of examples, the years it takes to go from an ape to a human takes millions of years... and yes, there HAVE been examples of species in between us and them. Just because YOU haven't been alive that long doesn't mean it isn't happening incrementally every day. Why are you purposely choosing to be ignorant? Because it makes you happy? I've posted some links before... you obviously didn't read them. Here's another: Epigenetics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You evolution deniers are really scary.
I'm just your regular guy here. I like to keep things simple. Evolution as a concept isn't difficult to understand, right? Start as an ape, transform to a human over time. As something that actually happens, I don't see it. OK - physically, apes look like humans more than the rest of the animal species. But intellectually, spiritually - you can't get to here from there.

I did read the links - which is why I responded that no one has seen evolution.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:17 PM
 
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Thanks Terry. You said it more eloquently than I. We share ancestry with other primates... in fact they are cousins. Let's go to the videotape for the play-by-play to see how brother Dawkins explains it :


Richard Dawkins: Why are there still Chimpanzees? - Nebraska Vignettes #2 - YouTube
What I see in this video is a guy former of Family Feud (just kidding - I know RD died) telling me that a white woman is related in its makeup to an African ape. I am supposed to believe that just because he says so?

There is no real evidence. You must believe that by faith.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:23 PM
 
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Jimmy Joe Bob: Your own link proves you wrong when you say "so far no one has ever documented any evolution only adaptation." You know that, right? Please tell me you understand what you just posted.

Are you seriously arguing that there is no evolution? Really?
Of course. Never seen a single bit of evidence for it. And science cannot prove it scientifically. It's a faith in a man made theory that has always failed to provide sound evidence to support itself.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:49 PM
 
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Of course. Never seen a single bit of evidence for it. And science cannot prove it scientifically. It's a faith in a man made theory that has always failed to provide sound evidence to support itself.
Evolution is nothing more than the ability to adapt. When conditions in the enviroment change either a species will adapt or it will go extinct, it's that simple. Sometimes a mutation will occure, if that mutation has positive affects the mutation will be passed down to future generations, such as an opposable thumb, and if the mutation becomes a detriment then the animal, plant or what have you will not survive, the mutation stops.

We see evolution taking place even in our life time, a 100 years ago the average height of a male was 5'6" and people on the average to 60 years old. Today the average height of a male is 6' and our life has been extended to about 75 years. This is adaptation based on our enviroment, also called evolution. This is the definition that Darwin was talking about, the adaption of species through natural selection.
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Old 10-18-2012, 05:03 PM
 
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Since I see that some of you are allergic to reading, I tried to find the shortest, simplest videos to get the basics of evolution through even the thickest skulls:


Richard Dawkins: Flatfish(Halibut) Evolution - YouTube

"Evolution is Fact" - Carl Sagan - YouTube

Intelligent Design? Watch it get schooled. - YouTube
These videos tell me I should believe evolution just because they say so.

The halibut adapts to its environment. The crab has a Japanese like face so its survives and thrives because people won't eat it. And some professor is anti-Liberty. This is evidence that humans came from apes. This has nothing to do with intelligence - except their voices make them sound educated. I'm simply supposed to take them at their word and believe what they say, and fall in line - yeah, right.
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Old 10-18-2012, 05:05 PM
 
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Evolution is nothing more than the ability to adapt. When conditions in the enviroment change either a species will adapt or it will go extinct, it's that simple. Sometimes a mutation will occure, if that mutation has positive affects the mutation will be passed down to future generations, such as an opposable thumb, and if the mutation becomes a detriment then the animal, plant or what have you will not survive, the mutation stops.

We see evolution taking place even in our life time, a 100 years ago the average height of a male was 5'6" and people on the average to 60 years old. Today the average height of a male is 6' and our life has been extended to about 75 years. This is adaptation based on our enviroment, also called evolution. This is the definition that Darwin was talking about, the adaption of species through natural selection.
Adaption and mutation is not evolution into a different species.
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Old 10-18-2012, 05:33 PM
 
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Adaption and mutation is not evolution into a different species.
Yes, it is. Adaptation and mutations are the cornerstones of evolution. If you believe in adaptation, then you believe in evolution too. Not only do species adapt to their environment (in small and sometimes BIG ways), but those changes actually have a measurable affect on future generations. Expand that by millions of years and you can see how these small changes can have huge implications... yes, into different species... you are using the terms species as some sort of classification system that you think cannot be changed, but the word itself is a relatively new and constantly being updated as new animals are discovered. You think apes and humans are different species because you happen to be one of them (not sure which!), but if someone told you that bottle-nose dolphins and spotted porpoises are different "species", you would say they are essentially the same. What's with the white woman comment? Is it a race thing with you? And where in the world did you get the "anti-liberty" crap?
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