Can good and evil exist in the absence of man? (evolution, sin)

[hljc]

In Isaiah 11: 6-9.....The Lord describes the potential of the power of Christ over evil .......```The wolf also will dwell with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the kid, and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together, and a little child will lead them....And the cow and the bear will feed, their young one will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox....And the sucking child will play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child will put his hand on the cockatrice`s den ...They will not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, for the earth will be full of knowledge of the Lord, as the waters covers the sea...``...... Evil cannot exist in the presence of the Lord , as even the animals of the earth will be affected , as well man to will be affected in the full knowledge of the Lord on Gods Holy Mountain ..

[augiedogie]

Mike is right on track with his answer. Evil exists without man because Satan brought evil, rebellion against God into the world. Good exists because God is in the world, God fills all things, and is present everywhere. Therefore his goodness is everywhere.

[Pawporri]

The Lucifer Rebellion took place many millenia before the earth was created............

[Jerwade]

Originally Posted by Heartsong

My guess is, probably not.

Originally Posted by Jerwade

The state of a person's mind, directs their actions.

It's not, "the devil made me do it!"
Therefore, I would have to agree with you.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Prairieparson

Good exists because God is in the world, God fills all things, and is present everywhere. Therefore his goodness is everywhere.

Would you mind elaborating on this? Do you believe God is in a rapist or a murderer? Do you believe God is in human trafficking? Do believe God is an a pedophile? I'm just trying to get my head around what you could possibly mean by the statement that "God fills all things and is present everywhere."

[Jerwade]

Originally Posted by Prairieparson

Mike is right on track with his answer. Evil exists without man because Satan brought evil, rebellion against God into the world.
Good exists because God is in the world, God fills all things, and is present everywhere. Therefore his goodness is everywhere.

Men eat from their own tree of knowledge, both; good and evil.

[Pawporri]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Would you mind elaborating on this? Do you believe God is in a rapist or a murderer? Do you believe God is in human trafficking? Do believe God is an a pedophile? I'm just trying to get my head around what you could possibly mean by the statement that "God fills all things and is present everywhere."

Great question. The uncertainties of life and the vicissitudes of existence do not in any manner contradict the concept of the universal sovereignty of God. Man is an evolutionary creature and therefore beset by certainn inevitabilities. For your consideration:

1. Is courage (strength of character) desirable ? Then must man be reared in an environment which necessitates grappling with hardships and reacting to disappointments.
2. Is altruism - service of one's fellows - desirable ? Then must man's life experience provide for encountering situations of social inequality.
3. Is hope - the grandeur of trust - desirable ? Then human existence must constantly be confronted with insecurities and recurrent uncertainties.
4. Is faith - the supreme assertion of human thought - desirable ? Then must the mind of man find itself in that troublesome predicament where it ever knows less than it can believe.
5. Is the search for truth desirable ? Then must man grow up in a world where error is present and falsehood always possible.
6. Is loyalty desirable ? Then man must carry on amid the possibilities of betrayal and desertion. The valor of devotion to duty consists in the implied danger of default.
7. Is unselfishness desirable ? Then must man live face to face with the incessant clamoring of an inescapable egoistic self. Man cannot dynamically choose the divine life if there is no self-life to forsake. This is not possible in an environment where there is no potential evil to exalt contrasted by good to observe and choose from.
8. How can one know true spiritual pleasure and ecstasy unless they live in a world where the alternative of pain and the likelihood of suffering are ever-present possibilities ?

If man is to be free he must be fallible. The possibility of mistaken judgement (evil) becomes sin only when the human will consciously endorses and knowingly embraces a deliberate immoral judgement. This is why angels will never be human and visa-versa.

Angels are naturally brave, but they are not courageous in the human sense. They are innately kind, but hardly altruistic in the human way. They have faith in the stability of the universe, but they are utter strangers to that saving faith whereby mortal man climbs from the status of an animal up to the portals of paradise. They love truth but know nothing of its soul saving qualities. They are idealists, but they were born that way. They are loyal, but they have never experienced the thrill of wholehearted and intelligent devotion to duty in the face of temptation and default. They are unselfish, but they never gained such levels of experience by the magnificient conquest of self. They enjoy pleasure, but they do not comprehend the sweetness of the pleasure escape from the pain potential.

[RevelationWriter]

Originally Posted by Pawporri

The Lucifer Rebellion took place many millenia before the earth was created............

[MysticPhD]

No . . . as Betsy says . . .FINAL ANSWER!

[thrillobyte]

Can good and evil exist in the absence of man?

I don't know about in the absence of man, but many prominent people thought good and evil could coexist alongside each other within man, Dr. Henry Jekyll chief among them.