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Ok. I get it. You don't trust God's Word (the Bible). Since the OP is directed at those who do accept it as the final authority would you not say your post is off topic? Or is it you don't believe any written words and therefore ignore how this is suppose to work?
The Bible is not the Word of God, it even tells you that. You are committing Bibliolatry. Exaltation of the Bible and the Doctrine of Inerrancy/Infallibility are modern inventions that developed with the Fundamentalist movement.
You claim it's your Final Word, and yet you conveniently ignore or manipulate parts of it depending on what point you're trying to prove.
And if the Bible is so Final, why are there thousands of translations throughout history with varying differences? Why did King James order his translators to alter the Bible to conform to his beliefs? Why did Tyndale alter his Bible (which is the one all modern English Bibles are based on) to attack the Catholic Church? Why do modern day publishers add words in passages that mean something entirely different to what those passages meant 2000 years ago?
You deny all of this being true. And yet we have documented proof that scripture has been altered. The earliest manuscripts of the New Testament alone have been corrected some 20,000 times, and that's the earlier Greek manuscripts, let alone English.
Biblical worshippers will never admit the flaws in their idol worship.
I can love my neighbor as myself and still be completely lost....outside of the kingdom of God and a child of the devil rather than a child of God.
Also, why do you say "The fundamental error of the fundamentalist is that he thinks truth is bible doctrine" and then use bible doctrine to back it up? Double-minded much?
No, the problem is you'll embrace bible doctrine when it meets your logic and preference (love, acceptance, grace) and then you reject it when God does and says things you wouldn't do "if you were god" (judgment, wrath, holy purity).
This is picking and choosing and quite literally an "itchy ears" approach to the Truth of the Bible.
Absolutely everyone picks and chooses. The only difference is who picks and chooses what. Conservatives pick and cling to the judgmental, wrathful scriptures as truth and ignore the commandments for love and compassion. Liberals do the opposite. However, in over a decade of studying the Bible and certain issues, I find liberals seem to be the only ones who actually delve into the historical reasons for their positions, whereas Conservatives always cling to traditional views pushed by their church/pastors in direct contradiction to evidence.
God and his messenger Jesus are the "final authority" Not a book...The bible is a great manual...a great book of instruction ..but it is no more the final authority than the Koran is for Muslims...it is insane not to use your God given good judgement.
Finality in this sense is relative. To someone whom doesn't and will never know communion with God, the Bible is the final authority for them. If we were to take your position as suitable for all, then we would believe that people whom never consider their role as a Christian to be equally qualified to manifest godliness (for lack of a better phrase), which for them would only be passing feelings, as those whom spend a dozen hours per day for a decade in prayer and contemplation.
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Human beings all know what is right and good...
How? Jesus says that all things from the heart are wicked. How are we to know without guidance that which is something wicked from our hearts and that which is inspired by God?
The Bible is not the Word of God, it even tells you that. You are committing Bibliolatry. Exaltation of the Bible and the Doctrine of Inerrancy/Infallibility are modern inventions that developed with the Fundamentalist movement.
You claim it's your Final Word, and yet you conveniently ignore or manipulate parts of it depending on what point you're trying to prove.
And if the Bible is so Final, why are there thousands of translations throughout history with varying differences? Why did King James order his translators to alter the Bible to conform to his beliefs? Why did Tyndale alter his Bible (which is the one all modern English Bibles are based on) to attack the Catholic Church? Why do modern day publishers add words in passages that mean something entirely different to what those passages meant 2000 years ago?
You deny all of this being true. And yet we have documented proof that scripture has been altered. The earliest manuscripts of the New Testament alone have been corrected some 20,000 times, and that's the earlier Greek manuscripts, let alone English.
Biblical worshippers will never admit the flaws in their idol worship.
The Bible is indeed the Word of God. But since you claim that the Bible says that it isn't, then PROVE IT!!! Provide the book, chapter, and verse where you claim that the Bible says it isn't the Word of God.
Absolutely everyone picks and chooses. The only difference is who picks and chooses what. Conservatives pick and cling to the judgmental, wrathful scriptures as truth and ignore the commandments for love and compassion. Liberals do the opposite. However, in over a decade of studying the Bible and certain issues, I find liberals seem to be the only ones who actually delve into the historical reasons for their positions, whereas Conservatives always cling to traditional views pushed by their church/pastors in direct contradiction to evidence.
I can love my neighbor as myself and still be completely lost....outside of the kingdom of God and a child of the devil rather than a child of God.
Also, why do you say "The fundamental error of the fundamentalist is that he thinks truth is bible doctrine" and then use bible doctrine to back it up? Double-minded much?
No, the problem is you'll embrace bible doctrine when it meets your logic and preference (love, acceptance, grace) and then you reject it when God does and says things you wouldn't do "if you were god" (judgment, wrath, holy purity).
This is picking and choosing and quite literally an "itchy ears" approach to the Truth of the Bible.
No you can't, he that loves is born of God.Love is not a doctrine it's the path of life and the way of the disciple of Jesus Christ. Love is what God brought us back to, not a creed or belief or a book.
The Bible is indeed the Word of God. But since you claim that the Bible says that it isn't, then PROVE IT!!! Provide the book, chapter, and verse where you claim that the Bible says it isn't the Word of God.
John 1 says that Jesus Christ is the Word of God and came to earth as flesh. It doesn't say the Word of God came to earth as a leather bound English translation of scripture sold for a profit by Bible publishers.
Jesus is not a book of paper and ink in a language he didn't even speak.
There are liberal Christians, moderate Christians, Conservative Christians, etc. It's not in reference to political affiliation, but religious ideology.
Fundamentalism, Evangelicalism, etc. are Conservative ideologies.
I am not seeing much discussion about the OP and the usefulness of forums such as these in sharing the Gospel. Anyone have any success stories they can share from such forums and chat rooms?
This thread and most, if not all, of any other threads concerning the Christian faith has gone down a very predictable path. It is only for that reason that I disagree with posting in "enemy" territory, if you will. Once the seed is sown, it is up to the Spirit to minister, convince and move hearts. When that process is interrupted by the pride of man, useless debate and arguing ensues. We as Christians should know better, but eventually we learn better
Bibleanity is a distorted version based on a failed and corrupt merging of the ignorant, savage, barbaric and superstitious OT beliefs about Jehovah(Yahweh) with the NT revelation and example of Christ about the true nature of God. They ignore the enormity of the contradictions in the two depictions of God. Christians typically believe ON Christ and follow His commands to "love God and each other" daily and repent when they don't. Bibleans typically believe IN the "precepts and doctrines of men" ABOUT God "written in ink" and ignore as a sign of their faith what God has "written in our hearts."
This IS the Christianity forum . . . NOT the Bibleanity forum. There are plenty of them masquerading as Christian forums elsewhere on the web. Christians follow Christ not false idols "written in ink" by men as Bible idolators do. Christ abides with us. Christians believe that. Bibleans do not . . . or they would not substitute the Bible for the LIVING Word of God Jesus Christ.
The OP attack on the Christianity of this forum was properly deleted . . . unfortunately others quoted it and it remains in their posts. I quoted my explanation of what I consider to be a True Bible Believing Christian. Regrettably, these "No True Scotsman" fallacies seem to crop up with regularity by Christians convinced that THEY alone possess the True Christianity. Such human hubris would be amusing if it were not so divisive and destructive of what Christ came to promote among His followers . . . "love of God and each other" daily. Nowhere in the Bible does Christ command us to "Believe every word of the Bible as written without question or any attempt to understand it . . . as a sign of your faith and belief in Christ." It is ironic then that for most of those who consider themselves True Bible Believing Christians . . . that never uttered command seems to supercede what Christ DID call the two most important commandments about love.
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