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No real irony. We were discussing what Christians should emphasize . . . the Bible or Christ. What you refer to as God's Word HAS to be the words of Christ . . . not the Bible, per se. There is much in the Bible that is NOT from Christ. It is God inspired but NOT God's word. It is interpreted by fallible, ignorant and primitive human beings.
You do not have the authority to make that call.
2 Peter 1
21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Because you desire to change the meaning of what I was attempting to convey by adding to my post.
Which was not subtracting from the verse as you may think, let me put it this way:
Christ died for us.
Christ died because of us.
Although I do agree, humanities sins have been forgiven by and through his love, mercy and grace.
If you had the Faith of Christ, then you would also trust in your father to raise you from the dead.
'Father, Into Your Hands I Commit My Spirit'
His death was not to satisfy the demands of his fathers' wrath or anger.
Rather, it was the love of the father that raised him from the dead.
1 John 4
10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Evn this statement of yours shows that you will not have God being anything other than how you viewed him as an unbeliever and just carried the idea over to your religious experience.
God is Love, no need to be childish with your meanie and nice guy comments.
But it is basically your interpretation of the good news, no?
21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
The great error is in thinking knowing your bible is knowing God. The scriptures point us to Jesus Christ and it is futile to look for him in any other place than where the scripture says he is.
Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?
If you don't and are not seeking him there the scripture indicates you are not even in the faith.
You may fail a bible knowledge test or a test of the doctrines you love you give great importance to,failing those tests means nothing if you know Jesus Christ in you, there is no comparison.
Paul passed all those tests being circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee;as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless. Philippians 3, what's more he counted all that as rubbish that he may know Christ and is resurrection power within him.
Seek Jesus Christ were the scriptures says he is and you will find him there, for the scriptures promises this. Break away from where the church is telling you to seek him, you will be amazed by the freedom you find yourself in, the freedom of knowing the truth........... That Christ is in you. Don't be scared of letting go of all that you have learned, the apostle Paul let go, so that he may gain Christ.
Lol. I start a thread about the wonderful good news of Jesus Christ, quoting scripture from your bible about the effects of the good news, and you and the usual suspects are queueing up to make sure that hell is part of the good news.
We just cannot have good news without a warning or threat can we
I didn't write book of John, and I did not add anything to it, which is why I said it is a clear verse and there is no need to spin it. They are not my words, they are the words of Jesus. It is telling you are offeded by John 3:16, and I think you might want to ask yourself why it makes you so uncomfortable.
PS. It is you who keeps bringing up hell, not me. I have not mentioned it once. YOU are making the connection between John 3:16 and hell. See, how it worked, I asked you to let the scripture speak for itself, and you did, and you saw a connection between John 3:16 and hell.
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You know what, I am more ashamed of the way I used to think as a Christian, than when I lived a life alienated in my mind from God without him in my world, I knew no better then.
You would not be so ashamed and offended by the truth if you embraced it. If you are ahamed of Him now, it is nothing compared to how you will feel when you are face to face with Him.
You would not be so ashamed and offended by the truth if you embraced it. If you are ahamed of Him now, it is nothing compared to how you will feel when you are face to face with Him.
I embrace Jesus Christ who said HE is the Way , HE is the Truth and HE is the Life. This way I am not offended by Love, grace and mercy being freely shown to those looked down to be sinners.
The Jesus Christ I know bares no resemblance to the one you and the usual suspects believe in and the one I formerly did.
I didn't write book of John, and I did not add anything to it, which is why I said it is a clear verse and there is no need to spin it. They are not my words, they are the words of Jesus. It is telling you are offeded by John 3:16, and I think you might want to ask yourself why it makes you so uncomfortable.
PS. It is you who keeps bringing up hell, not me. I have not mentioned it once. YOU are making the connection between John 3:16 and hell. See, how it worked, I asked you to let the scripture speak for itself, and you did, and you saw a connection between John 3:16 and hell.
No you are quoting John 3:16 to remind us that you believe the good news contains bad news for the unbeliever,come from hiding behind your interpretation of the bible.
You too are perishing right at this moment if you are not fully standing in the grace of God in all areas of your life.
No you are quoting John 3:16 to remind us that you believe the good news contains bad news for the unbeliever,come from hiding behind your interpretation of the bible.
You don't have to tell me why I quoted the verse, because I know why I did it, and you don't.
I specifically said the verse was clear, and there is no need to spin it. You read it, and saw a connection between the verse and hell, and you brought it up. I never mention the word "hell", you did. Think about that for a minute.
God is trying to tell you something, and all you do is argue with Him.
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