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Old 11-25-2012, 07:25 AM
 
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If He isn't God, there is no way that He is qualified to die on behalf of the rest of us. Only God is perfect. The sacrifice requires a perfect, spotless sacrifice.
HUMAN sacrifice is barbaric..Blood worship is primitive and accomplishes nothing. It was not about who Christ was as a human being or who he was as a god or demi-god...It was about his mind and spirit..it is what he taught that was divine. It is what he brought in form of perfect logic to earth that was the great gift...it was a message from God through him...on how humanity can have the best and most perfect existence while in human form...it was about bringing the kingdom of heaven to earth...It was not about his death or his birth ...it is not about miracles or sacrifice...It was about instruction....Do this and your life will be full and better..the rest is religion...and for all intent cumbersome intrusive garbage generated by those less intelligent..generated by the church and state...Christ was a king- the king of kings...a king of kind intelligent benevolent intent....

Was he God in human form? I would say that God resided in him...His message was of the highest order..yet to be seen by humanity...He was a divine being who tried to explain to us that we are all divine and do not have to live like cruel savages or all consuming war like bacteria..that we are angels on a holiday...angels on earth...dealing with stupidity which is the kin of evil.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:28 AM
 
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- George R. Noyes translation from the Greek.
Not using Hebrew Idioms for word translation.

- There are no other gods Before Him. Being 'the only (true) God'.
But there are gods after Him, that are of Him.

- Jesus (the word of God in the flesh) told them
"is it not written in your law I SAID you are gods?
If HE CALLED them gods to whom The Word 0f God came
and the scripture can not be made void, say you of Him
Whom The FATHER sanctified and sent into the world.
You blaspheme because I said I am The Son Of God?" - John 10:35-37

Jews didn't consider themselves to be sons of God.
Do you consider yourself a son of God?

"The Lord said to Moses, 'See I have made you as god to Pharaoh..' - Ex.7:1

So don't tell me The Lord is not 'God of gods'.

Because that doctrine does not reflect scripture.
Exo 7:1 ויאמר יהוה אל־משׁה ראה נתתיך אלהים לפרעה ואהרן אחיך יהיה נביאך׃
H430
אלהים
'ĕlôhıym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

H5030
נביא
nâbıy'
naw-bee'
From H5012; a prophet or (generally) inspired man: - prophecy, that prophesy, prophet.

H5012
נבא
nâbâ'
naw-baw'
A primitive root; to prophesy, that is, speak (or sing) by inspiration (in prediction or simple discourse): - prophesy (-ing) make self a prophet.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:30 AM
 
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You are missing the point.

What Christians should FOCUS on is what did Christ's death accomplish.
There was no glory in the death of Christ..there is no glory in death what so ever. His death created a type of mystic religious non-sense...It was mankind that focused on silly things like rising from the dead and creating a religion around so-called virgin birth...God does not need smoke and mirrors or a dog and pony show...Human existence and this planet are a hugely obvious miracle..totally astounding and awesome..those who need to see a man rise from the grave to believe are idiots.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:38 AM
 
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If He isn't God, there is no way that He is qualified to die on behalf of the rest of us. Only God is perfect. The sacrifice requires a perfect, spotless sacrifice.
You misunderstand what following Torah meant...Yeshua followed Torah perfectly so HaShem bestowed honor on Him...Hence the baptism of Ruach HaKodesh at the Jordan River...This is when Yeshua began His Ministry to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel...If one studies Torah, one will see the Character of HaShem within, thus Yeshua followed Torah, and when we see Him we see the Father, for the Father's attributes are within Torah, Yeshua became the Walking Torah...So, by Yeshua following Torah, therefore submmiting Himself to HaShem, He indeed became the Perfect Sacrifice for Atonement...
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Old 11-25-2012, 09:32 AM
 
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You misunderstand what following Torah meant...Yeshua followed Torah perfectly so HaShem bestowed honor on Him...Hence the baptism of Ruach HaKodesh at the Jordan River...This is when Yeshua began His Ministry to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel...If one studies Torah, one will see the Character of HaShem within, thus Yeshua followed Torah, and when we see Him we see the Father, for the Father's attributes are within Torah, Yeshua became the Walking Torah...So, by Yeshua following Torah, therefore submmiting Himself to HaShem, He indeed became the Perfect Sacrifice for Atonement...
Where does scripture say Jesus 'followed' Torah?

Jesus said he 'fulfilled' the law and the prophets.

I believe there's a difference between 'follow' and 'fulfill'.

Jesus said, The Words I Speak To You They Are Spirit and They Are Life" - John 6:63

Jesus did not say the words He spoke OF the Torah are Spirit and Life.

"our sufficiency is from God Who also made us ministers OF The New Covenant,
Not Of The Letter but of The Spirit for The Letter Kills, But The Spirit gives Life." - 2Cor.3
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:08 AM
 
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- Who are 'the gods' that God, is God of ?

"Give thanks to The God Of gods..." - Ps.136:2

"You being a man make Yourself God......
Is It Not Written In your Law I Said you are gods" ?
....If He called them gods to whom The Word 0f God came...do you say of Him
Whom The Father sanctified and sent into the world - You are blaspheming
because I said I am The Son 0f God?" - John 10:33-36

- Are we "the sons of God" ?
- Is Jesus 'The Son Of God' ?

Is The Father in Jesus and Jesus in The Father? - John 10:38

- Are we too 0ne As The Father Is IN Jesus and Jesus Is IN The Father
that we may be IN Them THAT the world may believe The Father sent Jesus?
John 17:21

- Yes, Jesus is of The One (True) God. The Son Of God.
- We are of The One (True) God. The Sons Of God.

We with our Brother Jesus are the G-gods of God.

Us being conformed to the image of Jesus The FirstBorn Among Many Brethern.
Romans. 8:29

When will your doctrine reflect Scriptures, instead of the doctrines of men?
- "The Lord God of gods, The Lord God of gods,
He knows and let Israel itself know..." - Josh.22:22

Jesus (word of God) said, 'Is it not written in your law I Said you are gods?
If He (God) Called THEM gods, to who The Word Of God Came...' - John 10:34,35
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:26 AM
 
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Psalm 82:6
You are gods and all of you are children of the Most High.


"Each, having a divine spark within you."
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:03 AM
 
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Psalm 82:6
You are gods and all of you are children of the Most High.

"Each, having a divine spark within you."


Ps.82:1 -"God takes His Stand In The Divne Council; He Holds Judgment Among The gods.....
Ps.82:6 ...I Say, "You Are gods; You Are The Children Of The Most High".

[Dead Sea Scrolls Translated From Hebrew To English]
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:16 AM
 
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The Catholic Priests teach only they are Priests.

- Defying what The Apostle Peter said. - 1Pet.2

The Catholic Priests teach only they can appoint 'sainthood'.

- And so they give us Saint Nick with his tree of Gifts.
Instead of teaching people to 'Desire Spiritual Gifts' - 1Cor.14:1

The Catholic Priests teach only the Pope is the divine enbodyment as Christ.
And that The Pope is the only session of Apostleship.

Beware Of Those Who'd Take Your Crown! - Rev.3:11
To give us The Trinity doctrine of Jesus being His Own God.
And us not being, a god of God.

Catholic Priests set themselves up as your god to which you are not even a saint of.
Their false doctrine of the trinity which is such a mystery
it can't be explained to reflect what Jesus said Himself.
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:23 AM
 
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Where does scripture say Jesus 'followed' Torah?

Jesus said he 'fulfilled' the law and the prophets.

I believe there's a difference between 'follow' and 'fulfill'.

Jesus said, The Words I Speak To You They Are Spirit and They Are Life" - John 6:63

Jesus did not say the words He spoke OF the Torah are Spirit and Life.

"our sufficiency is from God Who also made us ministers OF The New Covenant,
Not Of The Letter but of The Spirit for The Letter Kills, But The Spirit gives Life." - 2Cor.3
Yeshua was a Jew...Speaking as a Jew...Everything that He preached came from Torah...
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