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Old 12-18-2012, 09:50 AM
 
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and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:55 PM
 
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Mark 3:29 from the Greek Interlinear:
Who yet ever should-be-blaspheming the spirit the Holy not is having pardon into the eon but liable is of eonian judging

This says the one blaspheming is not having pardon unto the eon but is liable of eonian judging. Eonion is NOT eternal.

Can you think of an English word that can sometimes mean an age and sometimes mean eternal? And sometimes mean world. And sometimes mean never? Yet that is how the King James translators rendered the word aion and its derivatives.

In the Greek, there are plural aions. Are there plural eternities? In the Greek there is BEFORE the aion, this PRESENT aion, the aion to come, the aion OF THE aions and the aions of the aions.

If God will have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth; if God plans to reconcile ALL THINGS in heaven and on the earth and under the earth, then how can it be true that some/most men will be forever tormented and separated from God? There is judgment. Eonian judgment. Judgment that lasts for however long the Father deems it necessary to bring the errant child into an obedient son.

Reconciliation is NOT leading men to the truth, taking away the alienation from both sides and THEN telling them that because they could not remove the blinders that were given to Him, could not remove the deafness that they had from birth, could not make themselves believe something, that they will spend forever apart from Him, let alone in some kind of physical torment. How can anyone of human origin predict that some men will NEVER submit to God. Forever NEVER ends by its own definition and so how can we say that someone will reject God forever? If there is never a point that forever ends, then there is always the possibility of submission.

If a man runs from the authorities to avoid a charge and judgment for a crime he is given and then is finally arrested, tried and sentenced, and he serves the sentence, then he is freed. Because of human limitations to rehabilitate many or even most of today's reprobates, some are sentenced to life imprisonment or even execution. But we are limited by power and time. God is not, How dare we say that God gives up on the ones He created and hands them over to torturers or annihilates them. Love does what is BEST for the one loved. They may wish to be annihilated or to be separated from their creator but God knows that when they know the truth and see real LIFE, they will repent [change their minds]. Many say that God does not love a certain portion of humanity. God does love them. He is just making them vessels of dishonor for a time.

We tend to look at the situation through the mind of humans who decide to have children and do their best to raise them right and hope they love them for their efforts. But though we are their parents, we had no conscious participation in their formation. We did not know or create what personality they would have, what their health would be. But God DOES know. He created us down to the very DNA we possess and it was all contained in Adam and Eve. He understands why we do what we do.

We did not create ourselves to need to eat, to need warmth, shelter or any of the things we do. We do not know why one child is one way and another is different. Some are sickly, some are healthy. We do not expect each child to look the same, react the same, achieve the same things in life, do the same things in life, desire the same things. We know that each is different. Why? Did they create themselves to like science? To be a good musician or artist? Then why do we expect them to all think the same way about God? It's impossible.

God is STILL creating us. When one understands this, one will understand that He doesn't sit up there frowning when we do bad and smiling when we do good.

We are HIS workmanship.

'Be still and know that I am God. ' We would do well to understand this. I must remind myself of this often. Be merciful as your Father is merciful.
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Old 12-18-2012, 01:57 PM
 
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Mark 3:29 from the Greek Interlinear:
Who yet ever should-be-blaspheming the spirit the Holy not is having pardon into the eon but liable is of eonian judging

This says the one blaspheming is not having pardon unto the eon but is liable of eonian judging. Eonion is NOT eternal.

Can you think of an English word that can sometimes mean an age and sometimes mean eternal? And sometimes mean world. And sometimes mean never? Yet that is how the King James translators rendered the word aion and its derivatives.

In the Greek, there are plural aions. Are there plural eternities? In the Greek there is BEFORE the aion, this PRESENT aion, the aion to come, the aion OF THE aions and the aions of the aions.

If God will have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth; if God plans to reconcile ALL THINGS in heaven and on the earth and under the earth, then how can it be true that some/most men will be forever tormented and separated from God? There is judgment. Eonian judgment. Judgment that lasts for however long the Father deems it necessary to bring the errant child into an obedient son.

Reconciliation is NOT leading men to the truth, taking away the alienation from both sides and THEN telling them that because they could not remove the blinders that were given to Him, could not remove the deafness that they had from birth, could not make themselves believe something, that they will spend forever apart from Him, let alone in some kind of physical torment. How can anyone of human origin predict that some men will NEVER submit to God. Forever NEVER ends by its own definition and so how can we say that someone will reject God forever? If there is never a point that forever ends, then there is always the possibility of submission.

If a man runs from the authorities to avoid a charge and judgment for a crime he is given and then is finally arrested, tried and sentenced, and he serves the sentence, then he is freed. Because of human limitations to rehabilitate many or even most of today's reprobates, some are sentenced to life imprisonment or even execution. But we are limited by power and time. God is not, How dare we say that God gives up on the ones He created and hands them over to torturers or annihilates them. Love does what is BEST for the one loved. They may wish to be annihilated or to be separated from their creator but God knows that when they know the truth and see real LIFE, they will repent [change their minds]. Many say that God does not love a certain portion of humanity. God does love them. He is just making them vessels of dishonor for a time.

We tend to look at the situation through the mind of humans who decide to have children and do their best to raise them right and hope they love them for their efforts. But though we are their parents, we had no conscious participation in their formation. We did not know or create what personality they would have, what their health would be. But God DOES know. He created us down to the very DNA we possess and it was all contained in Adam and Eve. He understands why we do what we do.

We did not create ourselves to need to eat, to need warmth, shelter or any of the things we do. We do not know why one child is one way and another is different. Some are sickly, some are healthy. We do not expect each child to look the same, react the same, achieve the same things in life, do the same things in life, desire the same things. We know that each is different. Why? Did they create themselves to like science? To be a good musician or artist? Then why do we expect them to all think the same way about God? It's impossible.

God is STILL creating us. When one understands this, one will understand that He doesn't sit up there frowning when we do bad and smiling when we do good.

We are HIS workmanship.

'Be still and know that I am God. ' We would do well to understand this. I must remind myself of this often. Be merciful as your Father is merciful.
Wow! Merry Christmas all...
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:14 PM
 
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and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

What do you believe "blaspheming the Holy Ghost" means?
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:14 PM
 
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Mark 3:29 from the Greek Interlinear:
Who yet ever should-be-blaspheming the spirit the Holy not is having pardon into the eon but liable is of eonian judging

This says the one blaspheming is not having pardon unto the eon but is liable of eonian judging. Eonion is NOT eternal.

Can you think of an English word that can sometimes mean an age and sometimes mean eternal? And sometimes mean world. And sometimes mean never? Yet that is how the King James translators rendered the word aion and its derivatives.

In the Greek, there are plural aions. Are there plural eternities? In the Greek there is BEFORE the aion, this PRESENT aion, the aion to come, the aion OF THE aions and the aions of the aions.

If God will have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth; if God plans to reconcile ALL THINGS in heaven and on the earth and under the earth, then how can it be true that some/most men will be forever tormented and separated from God? There is judgment. Eonian judgment. Judgment that lasts for however long the Father deems it necessary to bring the errant child into an obedient son.

Reconciliation is NOT leading men to the truth, taking away the alienation from both sides and THEN telling them that because they could not remove the blinders that were given to Him, could not remove the deafness that they had from birth, could not make themselves believe something, that they will spend forever apart from Him, let alone in some kind of physical torment. How can anyone of human origin predict that some men will NEVER submit to God. Forever NEVER ends by its own definition and so how can we say that someone will reject God forever? If there is never a point that forever ends, then there is always the possibility of submission.

If a man runs from the authorities to avoid a charge and judgment for a crime he is given and then is finally arrested, tried and sentenced, and he serves the sentence, then he is freed. Because of human limitations to rehabilitate many or even most of today's reprobates, some are sentenced to life imprisonment or even execution. But we are limited by power and time. God is not, How dare we say that God gives up on the ones He created and hands them over to torturers or annihilates them. Love does what is BEST for the one loved. They may wish to be annihilated or to be separated from their creator but God knows that when they know the truth and see real LIFE, they will repent [change their minds]. Many say that God does not love a certain portion of humanity. God does love them. He is just making them vessels of dishonor for a time.

We tend to look at the situation through the mind of humans who decide to have children and do their best to raise them right and hope they love them for their efforts. But though we are their parents, we had no conscious participation in their formation. We did not know or create what personality they would have, what their health would be. But God DOES know. He created us down to the very DNA we possess and it was all contained in Adam and Eve. He understands why we do what we do.

We did not create ourselves to need to eat, to need warmth, shelter or any of the things we do. We do not know why one child is one way and another is different. Some are sickly, some are healthy. We do not expect each child to look the same, react the same, achieve the same things in life, do the same things in life, desire the same things. We know that each is different. Why? Did they create themselves to like science? To be a good musician or artist? Then why do we expect them to all think the same way about God? It's impossible.

God is STILL creating us. When one understands this, one will understand that He doesn't sit up there frowning when we do bad and smiling when we do good.

We are HIS workmanship.

'Be still and know that I am God. ' We would do well to understand this. I must remind myself of this often. Be merciful as your Father is merciful.
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:18 PM
 
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What do you believe "blaspheming the Holy Ghost" means?
He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.”
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:26 PM
 
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Most people on the face of the earth have blaspheme the Holy Spirit in their lives , as the spirit of antichrist brings his reason against faith , which people will follow very easily ....`` Like people have an issue , and get together to pray , then they still questions on what they are going to do about the issue ``... or sit around and complain on this pain and that health issue and run to the doctor never go and ask Jesus to fix it ..... See as people get developed in to the gifts of Holy Spirit , is were obedience to the character and will of God is very important , as Holy Spirit will have authority in the lives were the gifts are and people will be corrected to keep cleansed and corrected to keep peace for Holy Spirit ..... See Holy Spirit does not forgive any sins , for this is not His purpose , as Jesus and Father God are the only one to forgive sin through Jesus Blood .... ....
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:44 PM
 
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He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.”
And, in your own words, you believe blaspheming the holy ghost or saying "He has an impure spirit" would mean what, exactly?
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:30 PM
 
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And, in your own words, you believe blaspheming the holy ghost or saying "He has an impure spirit" would mean what, exactly?
Why do you need my own words?

But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. Acts 5
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Old 12-19-2012, 08:17 AM
 
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Why do you need my own words?
Because I can't read your mind. You quote bible passages, like the one in the o.p., that can be (and are) interpreted to mean any number of things depending on what Christian you are speaking to. So, what does the passage in the o.p. mean, in your understanding?

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But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. Acts 5
So, are you saying that blaspheming the Holy Ghost saying, “He has an impure spirit” is the same thing as "lying to the Holy Ghost" about money?
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