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Old 12-22-2012, 09:24 PM
 
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John chapter one, in my humble opinion, is one of the most powerful Scriptures in the bible for declaring that Jesus is indeed God. What bothers me is how many who deny this biblical doctrine, especially cultists, have attempted to undercut it by arguing that this passage should read that Jesus is "a god" or one who is divine like God, but who is not fully Deity.

This position falls on at least two grounds. The first ground is that having such a view is polytheistic, the belief in more than one god. Second, it shows a misunderstanding of Greek grammar. Verse one reads, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The last part of this verse 1:1 is the major point of debate, argument, or contention. It reads in the Greek theos en ho logos, or literally, the Word was God. God, or theos occurs in this verse without the Greek article ho; therefore, some have noted that the lack of the article in the Greek text should cause the verse to be translated the Word was a god. The question is why?
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Old 12-22-2012, 11:36 PM
 
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John chapter one, in my humble opinion, is one of the most powerful Scriptures in the bible for declaring that Jesus is indeed God. What bothers me is how many who deny this biblical doctrine, especially cultists, have attempted to undercut it by arguing that this passage should read that Jesus is "a god" or one who is divine like God, but who is not fully Deity.

This position falls on at least two grounds. The first ground is that having such a view is polytheistic, the belief in more than one god. Second, it shows a misunderstanding of Greek grammar. Verse one reads, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The last part of this verse 1:1 is the major point of debate, argument, or contention. It reads in the Greek theos en ho logos, or literally, the Word was God. God, or theos occurs in this verse without the Greek article ho; therefore, some have noted that the lack of the article in the Greek text should cause the verse to be translated the Word was a god. The question is why?
Hi Antredd. And Merry Christmas!!!

As you pointed out, the Bible clearly teaches that there is only one God, which automatically rules out any possibility of John 1:1 referring to the Word as 'a god'. And there is no good Greek scholar who would ever translate John 1:1 as 'the Word was a god'. Here are a number of comments from scholars concerning that >> Blue Letter Bible - Study Tools

Why do some insist on translating John 1:1 as 'a god'? And why do some deny that Jesus is God? One reason is indoctrination. Another is the inability to understand how one God can be three Persons, and therefore they reject the Trinity on that basis, and so insist on maintaining that John 1:1 must mean 'a god'. And then there is the dishonest person who purposely seeks to deceive others.

The Bible is so clear that Jesus Christ is God, that a person who is honest with himself would never deny that truth which is so explicitly revealed in God's word.
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Old 12-23-2012, 12:20 AM
 
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Hi Antredd. And Merry Christmas!!!

As you pointed out, the Bible clearly teaches that there is only one God, which automatically rules out any possibility of John 1:1 referring to the Word as 'a god'. And there is no good Greek scholar who would ever translate John 1:1 as 'the Word was a god'. Here are a number of comments from scholars concerning that >> Blue Letter Bible - Study Tools

Why do some insist on translating John 1:1 as 'a god'? And why do some deny that Jesus is God? One reason is indoctrination. Another is the inability to understand how one God can be three Persons, and therefore they reject the Trinity on that basis, and so insist on maintaining that John 1:1 must mean 'a god'. And then there is the dishonest person who purposely seeks to deceive others.

The Bible is so clear that Jesus Christ is God, that a person who is honest with himself would never deny that truth which is so explicitly revealed in God's word.
Amen my brother. Merry Christmas to you too, and thanks for sharing.
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Old 12-23-2012, 02:20 AM
 
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John chapter one, in my humble opinion, is one of the most powerful Scriptures in the bible for declaring that Jesus is indeed God. What bothers me is how many who deny this biblical doctrine, especially cultists, have attempted to undercut it by arguing that this passage should read that Jesus is "a god" or one who is divine like God, but who is not fully Deity.

This position falls on at least two grounds. The first ground is that having such a view is polytheistic, the belief in more than one god. Second, it shows a misunderstanding of Greek grammar. Verse one reads, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The last part of this verse 1:1 is the major point of debate, argument, or contention. It reads in the Greek theos en ho logos, or literally, the Word was God. God, or theos occurs in this verse without the Greek article ho; therefore, some have noted that the lack of the article in the Greek text should cause the verse to be translated the Word was a god. The question is why?
In order to indicate a singularity, Greek emplots the use of 'epi' meaning 'one' which would serve as the indefinite article..Which it doesn't in this verse, although there are many language that infer the indefinite article within the noun, such as Polish, Irish, etc...I do not believe Greek is one of them...However, I do not think that what you are implying is quite accurate either...
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Old 12-23-2012, 07:08 AM
 
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The Word was God. Yes. Not another God. Not "also" God.

The Greek literally reads and God was {the} Word.

God himself, the one and only was the Word. He is not three persons but one YHWH.
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Old 12-23-2012, 08:46 AM
 
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John 1:14 - "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."


John 1 is probably one of the greatest proof texts for the incarnation and deity of Christ ... That is why so many attempt to interpret 'Logos' as 'logas' ... incorrectly trying to make Jesus "one of many sons of God'.
Merry Christmas
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Old 12-23-2012, 08:50 AM
 
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John chapter one, in my humble opinion, is one of the most powerful Scriptures in the bible for declaring that Jesus is indeed God. What bothers me is how many who deny this biblical doctrine, especially cultists, have attempted to undercut it by arguing that this passage should read that Jesus is "a god" or one who is divine like God, but who is not fully Deity.

This position falls on at least two grounds. The first ground is that having such a view is polytheistic, the belief in more than one god. Second, it shows a misunderstanding of Greek grammar. Verse one reads, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The last part of this verse 1:1 is the major point of debate, argument, or contention. It reads in the Greek theos en ho logos, or literally, the Word was God. God, or theos occurs in this verse without the Greek article ho; therefore, some have noted that the lack of the article in the Greek text should cause the verse to be translated the Word was a god. The question is why?
Well, don't have the answer to your why ? question....
......just a simple child of faith in the grace of God who believes Him and says AMEN to >>> "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Yes, JESUS is our Mighty God, Savior of the world, Lord of All creation, KING of Kings, Prince of Peace, Wonderful Counselor, amen !!

\0/ HALLELUJAH, praises & glory to our God, Jesus Christ !!

Merry "Christ"~mas !!
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Old 12-23-2012, 08:56 AM
 
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The Word was God. Yes. Not another God. Not "also" God.

The Greek literally reads and God was {the} Word.

God himself, the one and only was the Word. He is not three persons but one YHWH.
oooh...Mike555 gonna get ya for that...
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Old 12-23-2012, 02:00 PM
 
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John chapter one, in my humble opinion, is one of the most powerful Scriptures in the bible for declaring that Jesus is indeed God. What bothers me is how many who deny this biblical doctrine, especially cultists, have attempted to undercut it by arguing that this passage should read that Jesus is "a god" or one who is divine like God, but who is not fully Deity.

This position falls on at least two grounds. The first ground is that having such a view is polytheistic, the belief in more than one god. Second, it shows a misunderstanding of Greek grammar. Verse one reads, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The last part of this verse 1:1 is the major point of debate, argument, or contention. It reads in the Greek theos en ho logos, or literally, the Word was God. God, or theos occurs in this verse without the Greek article ho; therefore, some have noted that the lack of the article in the Greek text should cause the verse to be translated the Word was a god. The question is why?
Antredd ‘the word’ which was with ‘God’ the Father in the beginning was not something other than ‘God’ the Father but was, characteristically, ‘God’ the Father Himself. The Greek word 'logos' is translated "word" here. 'Logos' strictly speaking refers to the inner thought which is expressed outwardly in words. Thus God's “word” or thinking is ‘God’.
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Old 12-23-2012, 02:13 PM
 
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Does "WAS" mean IS ?
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