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Old 12-27-2012, 09:36 PM
 
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Because they do not understand it. God created life. Life is change. Evolution is how the change manifests into diverse forms. There is no contradiction. Everything evolves because God is everything and God is a living God. If God were not living . . . God would not change and neither would anything else.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:44 PM
 
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Because they do not understand it. God created life. Life is change. Evolution is how the change manifests into diverse forms. There is no contradiction. Everything evolves because God is everything and God is a living God. If God were not living . . . God would not change and neither would anything else.
Wow. That's a really interesting perspective. Well said.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:47 PM
 
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...when they obviously do!

How, you ask? Like this:


A father has 10 children who can't swim. And he wants to know which of them truly love him. So he builds a liferaft, and throws them all in the water, and waits to see how many will grab it.

Survival of the fittest. Evolution. The strong survive, the weak die off.


(Note: this example shows clearly that "love" has nothing whatsoever to do with grabbing the liferaft. The fact that any of the 10 children grab the liferaft is not because they "love their father" but because they don't want to drown.)


Discuss.


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brian
That is not evolution nor even natural selection. Only interesting as I did not know it was possible to get evolution and Christianity so wrong in the same post.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:50 PM
 
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Show me one human what swam up from the swamp as a fish and now has legs! I don't believe you can produce one!
Wow, for someone who likes to point out other's "strawman arguments," you sure can put together some pretty good ones yourself there, Skippy.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:51 PM
 
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...when they obviously do!

How, you ask? Like this:


A father has 10 children who can't swim. And he wants to know which of them truly love him. So he builds a liferaft, and throws them all in the water, and waits to see how many will grab it.

Survival of the fittest. Evolution. The strong survive, the weak die off.


(Note: this example shows clearly that "love" has nothing whatsoever to do with grabbing the liferaft. The fact that any of the 10 children grab the liferaft is not because they "love their father" but because they don't want to drown.)


Discuss.


Peace,
brian
Who says Christians don't? Catholics, Anglicans, Lutherans and plenty of other denominations see absolutely no problem with evolution. Theologians such as John Polkinghorne, a former Cambridge physicist, have covered this rather thoroughly. Only the fundamentalists argue against it, chiefly because it conflicts with their belief in scriptural inerrancy.

I get really tired of smug, captious questions like this, posed by people who haven't bothered to learn about Christianity at all. Because if someone had any knowledge of the faith, they would take into a rather wide divergence of beliefs, rather than pose silly-assed questions that try to lump us all together.
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Old 12-28-2012, 05:39 AM
 
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Who says Christians don't? Catholics, Anglicans, Lutherans and plenty of other denominations see absolutely no problem with evolution. Theologians such as John Polkinghorne, a former Cambridge physicist, have covered this rather thoroughly. Only the fundamentalists argue against it, chiefly because it conflicts with their belief in scriptural inerrancy.

I get really tired of smug, captious questions like this, posed by people who haven't bothered to learn about Christianity at all. Because if someone had any knowledge of the faith, they would take into a rather wide divergence of beliefs, rather than pose silly-assed questions that try to lump us all together.
I can see from your posts that you haven't understood the OP yet...


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brian
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Old 12-28-2012, 05:42 AM
 
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Somehow I get the strange feeling that most people reading this thread still don't even understand it...

Rather than criticize the OP off the cuff, let's first try to understand what we're reading, folks. Thanks.


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brian
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:28 AM
 
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How so? Definitely not from a creation standpoint. Haven't had a case where a human evolved from an animal.
Exactly. Here is the thing, evolution is not survival of the fittest. That is a blanket term associated with Darwinism and evolution.

Evolution is two part, Micro and Macro.

Micro evolution does exist, and can be proven, small changes such as smaller feet by wearing smaller shoes, or hair length in colder climates etc.

Macro Evolution has yet to be proven, and actually per Darwin's instructions has been dis-proven via the fossil record, which shows 0 indication of macro evolution, the whole from apes theory is so far-fetched and unintelligent it blows my mind.

But sheep will buy into anything that they do not first research first, both sides, and the actual "facts" associated with them, and not just the theories/assumptions/generalizations.

But you have thousands of school teachers teaching the Evolution on a macro scale is fact, when it is far from it, and too many children who take everything their school teachers tell them as concrete fact, and they then grow into unperceptive, narrowly educated adults.

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That is not evolution nor even natural selection. Only interesting as I did not know it was possible to get evolution and Christianity so wrong in the same post.
+1
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:38 PM
 
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I can see from your posts that you haven't understood the OP yet...


Peace,
brian
Actually, I ignored the rest because the very foundation of your question was fallacious, based on a lack of knowledge of the faith. The OP is the kind of smug nonsense that an 19-year-old asks in his Philosophy 101 class without really having an understanding of anything. Before you pose another question like this, perhaps you should learn the workings of Venn diagrams.
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:47 PM
 
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Actually, I ignored the rest because the very foundation of your question was fallacious, based on a lack of knowledge of the faith. The OP is the kind of smug nonsense that an 19-year-old asks in his Philosophy 101 class without really having an understanding of anything. Before you pose another question like this, perhaps you should learn the workings of Venn diagrams.
A simple "Not all Christians say they don't believe in evolution." would have sufficed, cpg. All the rest of your tirade and pedantic rant is unnecessary.
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