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Old 12-25-2012, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Italy
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...when they obviously do!

How, you ask? Like this:


A father has 10 children who can't swim. And he wants to know which of them truly love him. So he builds a liferaft, and throws them all in the water, and waits to see how many will grab it.

Survival of the fittest. Evolution. The strong survive, the weak die off.


(Note: this example shows clearly that "love" has nothing whatsoever to do with grabbing the liferaft. The fact that any of the 10 children grab the liferaft is not because they "love their father" but because they don't want to drown.)


Discuss.


Peace,
brian
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Old 12-25-2012, 07:52 AM
 
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...when they obviously do!

How, you ask? Like this:


A father has 10 children who can't swim. And he wants to know which of them truly love him. So he builds a liferaft, and throws them all in the water, and waits to see how many will grab it.

Survival of the fittest. Evolution. The strong survive, the weak die off.


(Note: this example shows clearly that "love" has nothing whatsoever to do with grabbing the liferaft. The fact that any of the 10 children grab the liferaft is not because they "love their father" but because they don't want to drown.)


Discuss.


Peace,
brian
This father has abused his children. Also what was the liferaft made of?
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Old 12-25-2012, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Italy
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This father has abused his children. Also what was the liferaft made of?
According to modern theology, no, this father loves his children and gives them free will to "love him" by grabbing the liferaft. If they don't choose the liferaft, that's their fault. (But he still loves them.)

The liferaft is made out of whatever you choose.


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brian
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Old 12-25-2012, 08:26 AM
 
Location: US
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...when they obviously do!

How, you ask? Like this:


A father has 10 children who can't swim. And he wants to know which of them truly love him. So he builds a liferaft, and throws them all in the water, and waits to see how many will grab it.

Survival of the fittest. Evolution. The strong survive, the weak die off.


(Note: this example shows clearly that "love" has nothing whatsoever to do with grabbing the liferaft. The fact that any of the 10 children grab the liferaft is not because they "love their father" but because they don't want to drown.)


Discuss.


Peace,
brian
Brian, now I am beginning to understand how there can be 32K+ different denominations in this world each proclaiming to have the only truth...
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Old 12-25-2012, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Tucson, Arizona
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Originally Posted by ahigherway View Post
...when they obviously do!

How, you ask? Like this:


A father has 10 children who can't swim. And he wants to know which of them truly love him. So he builds a liferaft, and throws them all in the water, and waits to see how many will grab it.

Survival of the fittest. Evolution. The strong survive, the weak die off.


(Note: this example shows clearly that "love" has nothing whatsoever to do with grabbing the liferaft. The fact that any of the 10 children grab the liferaft is not because they "love their father" but because they don't want to drown.)


Discuss.


Peace,
brian
Great typology, Brian. A lot of food for thought there.
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Old 12-25-2012, 11:18 AM
 
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Why do Christians say they don't believe in evolution..?
1. All Christians do not believe in evolution. Some believe in evolution.

2. Some Christians say they don't believe in evolution because God said He formed Adam from the soil and took Eve out of the man, not out of the slime pond.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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I guess if you do not believe in God having power over life and death - then you will believe in the survival of the fittest.

However, God does have power over life and death. Therefore, he can tell Satan in Job 2 to spare Job's life - and he can add 15 years to Hezekiah's life in Isaiah 38.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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There is no reason that a reasonable, rational Christian shouldn't believe in evolution.

For one thing, evolution actually happens. We know it occurs and we can observe it occurring.

The only people for whom there might be a problem are the strict fundamentalist literalist Christians who believe The Bible is 100% hisorically accurate and valid and don't have a strong enough faith or enough intelligence to realize that The Bible is, in part, symbolism, metaphor and mythology; a literary work. Perhaps the most powerful, majestic, mysterious, beautiful and moving literary work ever created by the hearts and minds of humans, but not strictly history.

Fortunately, fundamentalists/literalists are a minority of believers (and in the modern Western World, it is only really in America where they have much of a voice or movement at all) and unfortunately, these people are not reasonable or rational, so it is pointless to try to enlighten them or provide them evidence. They will just cover their ears and scream "not listening! not listening! The Bible says different!..."

Because, again, their faith is weak, their ignorance is strong, their certainty (however misguided) is groundless and their stubbornness is astounding.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:08 PM
 
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Some people want to think they are special. They do not want to view themselves as just another type of animal.

Therefore, they cannot accept that their direct ancestor is an animal like a dog.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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There is no reason that a reasonable, rational Christian shouldn't believe in evolution.

For one thing, evolution actually happens. We know it occurs and we can observe it occurring.
How so? Definitely not from a creation standpoint. Haven't had a case where a human evolved from an animal.
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