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Old 01-03-2013, 04:39 PM
 
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24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

What is the harvest? Whats the difference between the wheat and the tares?


Matthew 13
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:46 PM
 
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24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

What is the harvest? Whats the difference between the wheat and the tares?


Matthew 13
Since the farmer would damage his crops by pulling out the weeds (tares), he waited until the wheat was ready to harvest, at which time he harvested all of it, and separated it, good from bad. The good he kept, the bad got thrown in the fire.

Likewise, on the day of judgment, the Christians will be with God in Heaven, the non-Christians will be thrown in the fire.
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:57 PM
 
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I thought this thread was "Why does God Allow evil"

There is only one reason. He gave us Free Will, which even He does not abrogate. That is the only reason Jesus died on the cross, while the Universe watched.

The matter of tares and wheat has been misunderstood, as is the case with almost all the parables.

The "wheat" are those humans following the path Jesus taught - Divine Love. The "tares" are in fact you guys, and most of the world. Those following a natural love path, the golden rule. The reference to separation is that we each have to choose, and the entrance to the Kingdom is only granted to those who are wearing the wedding garment - the Divine Love. If you do not get entrance to the Kingdom, IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE IN HELL. That is another error.

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"And so we work, and so you must work until the time of the (great) separation, and as the Master said, the wheat and the tares must be permitted to grow together until the great time of the harvest, so must the soul with only the natural love and that with the Divine Love be permitted to mingle together until the reaping of the harvesting shall take place. And until then, we must mingle and work and pray without ceasing."
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"When on earth I taught the doctrine of salvation only through the workings of the Holy Spirit in fulfilling the commandments of the Father. Mere belief in me or in my name without this Love will never enable any man to become the possessor of this Love. Hence the saying; "that all sins against me or even against God's commandments may be forgiven men, but the sin against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven them, neither while on earth nor when in the spirit world." This means that so long as a man rejects the influences of the Spirit he sins against it, and such sin prevents him from receiving this Divine Love; and hence, in that state he cannot possibly be forgiven, and be permitted to enter into the Celestial Kingdom of the Father."
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:59 PM
 
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Likewise, on the day of judgment, the Christians will be with God in Heaven, the non-Christians will be thrown in the fire.
Fortunately that is not true, but unfortunately most Christians don't actually know how to obtain a Wedding Garment.
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:21 PM
 
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Fortunately that is not true, but unfortunately most Christians don't actually know how to obtain a Wedding Garment.
Yah...nevermind what Jesus ACTUALLY SAID.
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:22 PM
 
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Hi, I believe that without the experience of evil, we would not really know or understand what goodness and righteousness really are. Evil is contrasted with goodness just as light is contrasted with darkness. We would not really know God as our Savior with out the experience of evil and sin. Now, we know the depth and nature of God's love for us, even as we were described as His enemies. God's love is not a selfish love. It is a love that loves the unlovable and we would not fully realize or understand this unless we were cast into this position. The man who had been blind from birth was not blind because he had sinned but so that the work of God would be made manifest in him. I believe that God has a purpose for all things. Through the experience of evil, God allows the sons of the kingdom to exist side by side with the sons of the evil one. At the end of the age, He will make a distinction between the two. He will reveal what is really good and right in the work that He is doing in the sons of the kingdom as opposed to what is not good and right. The sons of the evil one will not inherit the kingdom at the end of the age. God bless.
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:28 PM
 
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Hi, I believe that without the experience of evil, we would not really know or understand what goodness and righteousness really is. Evil is contrasted with goodness just as light is contrasted with darkness. We would not really know God as our Savior with out the experience of evil and sin. Now, we know the depth and nature of God's love for us, even as we were described as His enemies. God's love is not a selfish love. It is a love that loves the unlovable and we would not fully realize or understand this unless we were cast into this position. The man who had been blind from birth was not blind because he had sinned but so that the work of God would be made manifest in him. God has a purpose for all things. Through the experience of evil, God allows the sons of the kingdom to exist side by side with the sons of the evil one. At the end of the age, He will make a distinction between the two. He will reveal what is really good and right in the work that He is doing in the sons of the kingdom as opposed to what is not good and right. The sons of the evil one will not inherit the kingdom at the end of the age. God bless.
I can agree with every word, Shana.
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:30 PM
 
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Thanks, Katzpur. I know that many disagree that evil has a place in the plan of God. God bless.
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:55 PM
 
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Yah...nevermind what Jesus ACTUALLY SAID.
Well we know he never actually said Christians go to heaven and non Christians get thrown into a fire. It's because of this belief that Christianity as a whole is powerless. A form of godliness but denying the power, How ? By believing salvation is about avoiding hell to in entrance to heaven, Jesus never taught this.



He came that we might have life and life more abundantly . What does this mean ? A life of joy and peace in believing in this life, for now is the day of salvation

The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

Jesus was anointed to do this so that we we being freed, could "live" in the salvation of God, not so we go to heaven. We seek the Kingdom of Heaven in the here and now .

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Old 01-03-2013, 06:59 PM
 
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I thought this thread was "Why does God Allow evil"

There is only one reason. He gave us Free Will, which even He does not abrogate. That is the only reason Jesus died on the cross, while the Universe watched.

The matter of tares and wheat has been misunderstood, as is the case with almost all the parables.

The "wheat" are those humans following the path Jesus taught - Divine Love. The "tares" are in fact you guys, and most of the world. Those following a natural love path, the golden rule. The reference to separation is that we each have to choose, and the entrance to the Kingdom is only granted to those who are wearing the wedding garment - the Divine Love. If you do not get entrance to the Kingdom, IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE IN HELL. That is another error.


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Thats nice. If you'd like to back up those "ideas" with scripture, you're more than welcome. If not please stop making things up.
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