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But Brian war is of God according to you also. So no what you are saying makes no sense at all. Does Hitler get a get of jail card for telling his forces go and do ?.
Hitler fell to satan's temptation. If he were a Christian, he would have known that it is wrong to war, and that war is of the devil.
The same goes for all the soldiers who killed civilians and each other. The same goes for what the US does in other countries, like Afghanistan. No different. Different country, same deception.
Hitler fell to satan's temptation. If he were a Christian, he would have known that it is wrong to war, and that war is of the devil.
The same goes for all the soldiers who killed civilians and each other. The same goes for what the US does in other countries, like Afghanistan. No different. Different country, same deception.
Blessings,
brian
In The Bible, God frequently exhorts his followers to go to war. Even slaughter women and infants.
Hitler fell to satan's temptation. If he were a Christian, he would have known that it is wrong to war, and that war is of the devil.
The same goes for all the soldiers who killed civilians and each other. The same goes for what the US does in other countries, like Afghanistan. No different. Different country, same deception.
Blessings,
brian
Brian why don't you say it how you believe it and mean it.Hitler because he was not a christian fell to the temptation of the tempter(satan) who was sent by God to tempt Hitler. It's a belief that equals eternal torment as far as I am concerned. Where do wars come from ?, you believe God, I believe what scripture says
What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you? James 4:1.
You are reading to much into things Brian if you believe that God outside of us is causing those desires that battle within us.
In The Bible, God frequently exhorts his followers to go to war. Even slaughter women and infants.
But we know that that is not how God is, because Jesus gave us the reassurance that the Father is just like he was. Did Jesus war? Only against spiritual wickedness in heavenly places.
So if Jesus didn't kill women and children, then we know that that is not what God the Father does, either.
So the only thing we can speculate is why God would give such a command, since He would not do such a thing. We have Jesus as proof of this.
In The Bible, God frequently exhorts his followers to go to war. Even slaughter women and infants.
Yes it does, because they thought it was God sending them into war. Jesus' teaching of God totally contradicts it. Jesus taught war came from within(not of God).
Lucifer fell and became Satan after the
Creation of Earth, but before the beginning of Time.
Adam and Eve before their Fall were outside of Time.
Time doesn't begin until the Fall.
The serpent was a creature, unpossessed, until the fallen Lucifer/Satan
possessed the serpent. But the serpent was not a snake-like being,
the serpent stood upright, although we do not know if it was a biped
or a quadraped, or in some shape unimaginable.
It was not until the serpent ate fruit of the
Forbidden Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, after which the serpent
was still not a snake, until Eve ate of the fruit, being beguiled by the
serpent to do so, and then convincing Adam to do the same, God
cursed them all, cursed Adam, Eve, and the Serpent, after this Curse
the serpent started to crawl on its belly and enmity between Satan
and humanity was the consequence. Another consequence was
the beginning of Time as we know it, corruption entered into all
creatures, including us, the serpent, the other animals, plants,
all inherited Death. Man had to work, woman had to reproduce
with pain, animals started to hunt each other, plants died, etc.
When Lucifer and his 1/3 "legion" of the Angelic Host were cast
to Earth, the Earth was already here, but it was pre-Fall and pre-Time.
God thought we would choose to Love Him enough to resist Satan.
Thus, as the Bible says, Jesus is the Redeemer of All Creation,
not just mankind, but the entirety of the Earth.
Brian why don't you say it how you believe it and mean it.Hitler because he was not a christian fell to the temptation of the tempter(satan) who was sent by God to tempt Hitler. It's a belief that equals eternal torment as far as I am concerned. Where do wars come from ?, you believe God, I believe what scripture says
What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you? James 4:1.
You are reading to much into things Brian if you believe that God outside of us is causing those desires that battle within us.
Pcamps,
I think you're misunderstanding my posts a bit.
God doesn't do the evil. He "opens the doors" for satan to work and to tempt man, and since satan is made to destroy and tempt and accuse, that's what he does.
Yet man isn't a slave to satan, yet he is drawn to sin.
But satan doesn't "force" man to sin. He tempts man. And those temptations can be things without, or things within the man. But man isn't forced to obey satan. And yet he falls, because he can only be free through God's own Spirit.
So man is free, in a sense, but he doesn't have the wherewithall to resist temptation and do what is right. When God allows satan to move, satan tempts man, and oftentimes, man falls.
And through falling, man often then cries out to God, who saves him immediately.
So God gives man the "freedom" that he wants, and when man tries to do things on his own, he falls to satan, and realizes his need for God, who is able to save him.
Yes it does, because they thought it was God sending them into war. Jesus' teaching of God totally contradicts it. Jesus taught war came from within(not of God).
Okay, since we're taking a look at bible passages to see how they fit with our opposing views, I do have a couple as well:
Shana or Brian, how does this fit with your understanding?
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
1 Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
If God is using the devil and is commanding the devil to work, why is God working to destroy the devil and the works of the devil?
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Originally Posted by ahigherway
If satan is the "destroyer," and God "destroys" satan's "destruction," then I guess that would mean that God is rebuilding.
Peace,
brian
Brian, you've been saying all along that God uses the devil to destroy our unrighteousness. If that really is the case, it makes no sense that God would want to destroy that work, and rebuild that unrighteousness.
Your belief is at odds with itself and with these passages. It makes no sense to believe that God causes the very thing God is working to destroy.
That's not what you and Shana have been saying, Brian. You've been saying that God COMMANDS satan to create evil, even if satan is in us; that he is purposely employing satan (whatever satan is) to perfect and teach us.
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Originally Posted by ahigherway
In a sense. The tribes that attacked Job's children were moved by satan, who must have tempted them to violence and theft, and they fell to it. (I wouldn't say that they were "forced" to sin, however. Satan is set loose where God says, "go," and he tempts to sin.)
So it's not exactly what I was trying to get across. God doesn't "force" us to do evil. He commands satan do destroy, steal and wreck havoc, yet satan is also a tempter that we are called to "resist" when he tempts us.
In addition, satan is apparently able to cause natural disasters and disease. (He is called "the prince of this world" probably for this reason.)
The important thing for us, is that rather than being scared, we can see that our God who loves us more than we understand, is the One in control of what can ultimately happen.
Peace,
brian
This is at odds with what you've been saying, Brian. You and Shana believe that it is necessary for us to experience the opposite of good in order to know what good is; you've been saying that it is necessary for evil to be committed in order for us to learn about good, to learn about suffering and forgiveness and mercy. Why then, according to your beliefs, would God want us to resist temptation, when God intends for us to commit evil in order to learn about good? If, as you believe, committing evil is necessary, then it is absolutely imperative that at least some of us NOT resist temptation.
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