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Old 01-09-2013, 12:22 AM
 
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I meant to ask this before.

Have you ever heard a devout Catholic, Christian, or fundamentalist say "I'll pray for John" or "I'll pray for Jane?" These people did NOT ask for their prayers. Generally, it's the devout "holier than thou" person passing judgment on someone's point of view that doesn't agree with theirs.

Generally, if someone has an illness or has had something bad occur to them, they usually say "I'm going to include John or Jane in my prayers; you should, too, because of (event)."

I rarely pray for myself. I pray for others if they ask me to. I pray for others if something has happened and I want them to get a better outcome. I don't pray for someone as a form of condescension.

Have you heard this before (paragraph 1)? Does it irritate you as well?
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:44 AM
 
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I meant to ask this before.

Have you ever heard a devout Catholic, Christian, or fundamentalist say "I'll pray for John" or "I'll pray for Jane?" These people did NOT ask for their prayers. Generally, it's the devout "holier than thou" person passing judgment on someone's point of view that doesn't agree with theirs.

Generally, if someone has an illness or has had something bad occur to them, they usually say "I'm going to include John or Jane in my prayers; you should, too, because of (event)."

I rarely pray for myself. I pray for others if they ask me to. I pray for others if something has happened and I want them to get a better outcome. I don't pray for someone as a form of condescension.

Have you heard this before (paragraph 1)? Does it irritate you as well?
Of course we've all heard it before where there is condescension. Or worse a tone of sarcasm in the heat of a disagreement: i.e. ("I WILL PRAY FOR YOU, BUDDY !) as a type of insult to one's dignity. However, I'm sure sometimes it is also said with sincerity as well depending on the setting. Jesus said not to pray in public. Is "church" public? Seems like it to me.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:38 AM
 
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Of course we've all heard it before where there is condescension. Or worse a tone of sarcasm in the heat of a disagreement: i.e. ("I WILL PRAY FOR YOU, BUDDY !) as a type of insult to one's dignity. However, I'm sure sometimes it is also said with sincerity as well depending on the setting. Jesus said not to pray in public. Is "church" public? Seems like it to me.
If I tell someone I will be praying for them it is to show that I care enough to bring them before God. Even if we are disagreeing on something, I am to love them and I know of no greater way to show love for someone than to present them before God and ask for His blessings upon them.
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Old 01-09-2013, 07:53 AM
 
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If I tell someone I will be praying for them it is to show that I care enough to bring them before God. Even if we are disagreeing on something, I am to love them and I know of no greater way to show love for someone than to present them before God and ask for His blessings upon them.
But you can also do that without telling them "I'll be praying for you", particularly if you are having a disagreement because it can sound condescending, or do you not understand that concept? It can come off as sounding like "There is something wrong with you - I'll ask God to fix it." It might sound more humble if you asked your brother to pray for you. I actually think it can be sort of rude to tell someone "I'll be praying for you" if that person has not asked you to do so. If you are sincere, you can keep it a secret.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:39 AM
 
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I meant to ask this before.

Have you ever heard a devout Catholic, Christian, or fundamentalist say "I'll pray for John" or "I'll pray for Jane?"

Have you heard this before (paragraph 1)? Does it irritate you as well?
Yes. I've heard it.

It doesn't bother me at all. That's what devout people do. They pray. It's the most natural thing in the world for a devout person to pray. And if they say it out loud.... so what? They aren't preaching hate. They're just saying they'll be praying.

If they say something like, "I'll be praying for John because he's a heathen and he's going to burn for all eternity because he doesn't go to church." and they are tossing in their judgement of John's soul then I'd have a problem.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:55 AM
 
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If they say something like, "I'll be praying for John because he's a heathen and he's going to burn for all eternity because he doesn't go to church." and they are tossing in their judgement of John's soul then I'd have a problem.
Well, they don't say the last part, but if one reads between the lines, it's implied. The conversation could have been about someone's voting pattern and it ends with "I'll pray for him, or her." So, yes, I am complaining about the ones that come in a judgmental context.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:38 AM
 
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I meant to ask this before.

Have you ever heard a devout Catholic, Christian, or fundamentalist say "I'll pray for John" or "I'll pray for Jane?" These people did NOT ask for their prayers. Generally, it's the devout "holier than thou" person passing judgment on someone's point of view that doesn't agree with theirs.

Generally, if someone has an illness or has had something bad occur to them, they usually say "I'm going to include John or Jane in my prayers; you should, too, because of (event)."

I rarely pray for myself. I pray for others if they ask me to. I pray for others if something has happened and I want them to get a better outcome. I don't pray for someone as a form of condescension.

Have you heard this before (paragraph 1)? Does it irritate you as well?
maybe they genuinely care and are going to pray for their well-being. I've never met anyone that didn't appreciate prayers for them.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:46 AM
 
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Well, they don't say the last part, but if one reads between the lines, it's implied. The conversation could have been about someone's voting pattern and it ends with "I'll pray for him, or her." So, yes, I am complaining about the ones that come in a judgmental context.
As in: "My aunt is voting for Obama" and the second person (who doesn't like the President) says, "I'll pray for her."?

If it's that.... no. That's not right, IMO.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:54 AM
 
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As in: "My aunt is voting for Obama" and the second person (who doesn't like the President) says, "I'll pray for her."?

If it's that.... no. That's not right, IMO.
lol....those people NEED to be prayed for!
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:27 PM
 
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In most situations, the "I'll pray for (name)," said when there has been neither a request nor an adverse situation, IS a form of condescension. I can also tell you that the person who made the comment is the person who needs the prayers. Every single person I know who has said this did not have their house in order. Far from it.
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