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Old 09-07-2015, 09:43 PM
 
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Thread started 1-3/2013, began once more 2/2014, rose briefly in 4/2015, and is alive again this week. It should be titled 'the grace of resurrection.' I enjoy free entertainment. This has me riveted.
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Old 09-07-2015, 11:21 PM
 
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And the point is that it is NOT about RULES. When will you learn that rules don't make compassion OR community?
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Old 09-08-2015, 04:52 AM
 
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Rules (the law) never made anyone righteous - even David, a man after God's own heart was not declared righteous because he was under the law. Grace on the other hand makes even the worst of us righteous, not by our own works but His work. (Romans 5:19)

Jesus was the "Lamb of God"; just as a man would bring a sin offering under the law, this was God's eternal version - but people don't look at it that way.
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Old 09-08-2015, 09:59 AM
 
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Rules (the law) never made anyone righteous - even David, a man after God's own heart was not declared righteous because he was under the law. Grace on the other hand makes even the worst of us righteous, not by our own works but His work. (Romans 5:19)

Jesus was the "Lamb of God"; just as a man would bring a sin offering under the law, this was God's eternal version - but people don't look at it that way.
They aren't't rules, they're guidance or instruction....
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Old 09-08-2015, 10:38 AM
 
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Here are various sites that list the commands
613 Old Testament Commands
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?sa...50108151373627
613 commandments - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The 613 Commandments
Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

1050 New Testament Commands

http://www.puritan-books.com/books/p...t_commands.pdf
1,050 New Testament Commands | Christian Assemblies International
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?no...50352289233627
http://www.beit-lechem.com/files/Tea...0or%20life.pdf


Ive heard so many times that Heaven and Earth has not passed away and not one jot or tittle will change from the law, so we are still supposed to be doing all the laws of the OT. Even if you take away whats applied to men only vs women only vs kings/priests in Torah, its still impossible to do the old law. Alot of the OT law involves the temple and since there isnt one, many of those commands are impossible. I cant stone anyone for breaking a law, we dont go to Jerusalem 3 times a year for the feasts and its commanded in Torah, we cant do the offerings commanded in Numbers 28 on the different feast days or sabbath, and i could go on with many more commands that we cant do now.

Which leads to believe that Jesus really did fulfill the OT law and we are to live by the commands in the NT. Granted the NT commands are from the OT and are explained to the fullest, I think any command from Torah repeated in the NT is what believers in the New Covenant should live by. Ive looked at all 1000+ commands in and even when you take away any repetitiveness, there are still 800+ commands in the NT and they are all 100% do able, calls us as believers to a higher standard, and shows you how to truly Love God and One another vs the many of the OT commands that have been fulfilled or cant be done now.

So when Jesus says if you love me you will keep my commands, follow the laws of Christ.
John 13:34-35


34 ďA new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.ĒJohn 15:17


17 This is my command: Love each other.1 John 3:23-24


23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps Godís commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

1 John 4:21


21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.

1 John 5:1-3

5 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3 In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,




Galatians 6:2

2 Carry each otherís burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

If we are not following the TWO GREATEST commandments, NOTHING else matters.
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Old 09-08-2015, 11:23 AM
 
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If we are not following the TWO GREATEST commandments, NOTHING else matters.
Amen!!!Rep IOU.
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Old 09-08-2015, 11:52 AM
 
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They aren't't rules, they're guidance or instruction....
Bullwhoop semantics.
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Old 09-08-2015, 05:05 PM
 
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Bullwhoop semantics.
Nope...
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Old 09-08-2015, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Bullwhoop semantics.
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Nope...
This is what was posted in the OP "Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)" Is the view that they are commandments accepted by Jews everywhere wrong, or is there a difference between a commandment and a rule that I don't know about....OR is your assertion just what I said it was?
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Old 09-08-2015, 11:47 PM
 
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Read the Acts of the Apostles. It banished the old Jewish laws but kept only 3 or 4. Christians do not have to follow all the old Jewish laws anymore.
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